WobBa - Standard Rules of Battle

These are the standard rule sets you'll see around the net. For all official Wobba Tournaments, we'll be using the first set of rules here, the widely accepted "Standard Rules" set. When you want to host your own tournament, kindly specify what set of rules you'll be using and what they are, whether they are here or not.


Standard Rules
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Single battle, six versus six fashion.

All Pokemon will be set to level 100 for each match.

Item Clause - No repeated attached items allowed.

Species Clause - No two or more of the same pokemon on the team.

Uber Ban - Pokemon classified as "Uber" status, are banned. (See List below for Banned Pokemon)

No last pokemon self-destruction. (Meaning using the moves Explosion, Self-Destruct, Perish Song, Destiny Bond, and other similar moves when there is only one pokemon left on each team is not allowed.)

Sleep Clause - You may not put more than one (1) pokemon on the opponent's team to sleep, however if the opponent uses the move Rest (or any other self-inducing sleep move), that/those pokemon does/do not count when applying this rule.

Evasion Clause - The moves Double Team, Minimize, or any other attacks that increase evasion in the same manner are prohibited. However, moves that offensively decrease accuracy such as Sand Attack, Smokescreen, etc. and pokemon with Sand Veil or any other abilities that act similarly are not prohibited.

OHKO Ban - OHKO Moves such as Sheer Cold, Fissure, Horn Drill, Guillotine, etc. are banned.

You may switch your pokemon and/or items around between tournament rounds, but interchanged pokemon/items must still abide by the rules.

In the unlikely event of a draw, matches will be battled again.

If there is a disconnection within the battle, and both parties are in disagreement with the way the battle was progressing, they must battle again.

To prevent any possible cheating by sneaking a peek at someone's team-- if you have a pokemon that is banned and I am notified of it, you will be disqualified immediately, no questions asked. PLEASE make sure you have the team you want to be using with you before entering WiFi.

Also, PLEASE ensure that you have your own DS to compete with, as sharing will slow the tournament down tremendously.

The use of ANY cheating devices such as Action Replay or Gameshark to alter your gamepacks in ANY WAY is prohibited. Players known to have used such devices will be disqualified from the tournament immediately, and could very possibly be flagged for misconduct (Naughty Listed).
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Rickety Edit: Banned Pokemon
The only banned pokemon for Standard/OU Wi-Fi battles and tournaments would be pokemon classified as "Uber", a list that is still in the works by many pokemon sites. When sites like smogon create their tier list, rest assured that pokemon classified as "Uber" will be banned (Unless it's an uber tournament, etc.).

If I had to guess which pokemon would fall under the uber ban, though, I'd guess:
Arceus
Darkrai
Deoxys (all forms)
Dialga
Giratina
Groudon
Ho-oh
Kyogre
Latias
Latios
Lugia
Mew
Mewtwo
Palkia
Rayquaza
Regigigas*
Wobbuffet
Wynaut

*Regigigas is Banned for now, but the chances are when the D/P metgame starts to settle down, his ability will be widely acknowledged as pure win, and will be allowed in Standard (heck, he might even end up being UU). But for now, Regigigas is banned.


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Red Bouquet League Advance Generation:

Level 50's for Live and WiFi, Level 100's for NetBattle.

More than one of a certain attached Item is not allowed.

No two or more of the same pokemon on the team.

Banned Pokemon: Mewtwo, Lugia, Ho-Oh, Raquaza, Kyogre, Groudon, Mew, Celebi, Jirachi, Deoxys (All forms), Latios, Latias, Articuno, Zapdos, Moltres, Entei, Raikou, Suicune, Regice, Regirock, Registeel, Wobbuffet, Wynaut.

No last-pokemon self-destruction/destiny bond.

(Live and WiFi) Anything obtained or manipulated through a cheating device (Gameshark, Action Replay, etc.) is not allowed.

(NetBattle) Illegal movesets are not allowed. (Illegal moves are those that cannot be normally obtained through the games, though special pokemon with these moves do exist through Nintendo events and giveaways.)

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Advance Generation SmogOn Rules (NetBattle):

No Mewtwo, Mew, Lugia, Ho-oh, Wobbuffet/Wynaut, Latias, Latios, Kyogre, Groudon, Rayquaza, Deoxys (all forms)

No illegal movesets

No OHKO moves (No Horn Drill, Fissure, Guillotine, or Sheer Cold)

No Evasion moves (No Double Team or Minimize)

Sleep Clause (Two or more pokemon cannot be put to sleep)

Species Clause (No more than one of a certain kind of pokemon)

XD moves WILL be allowed

Freeze Clause (Two or more pokemon cannot be frozen)

No Self-KO allowed on last pokemon

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All winning teams must be posted and confirmed.

Include information for each pokemon such as:
-Moves
-Nature
-EV spread
-Held item

This post has been edited by Rickety on Jun 19 2007, 08:49 PM

In regards to the use of cloned pokemon in cartridge play. (386 GBA play)

How do other people feel about the use of cloned pokemon in cartridge play tournaments?

Here is what got me thinking on the subject:

In our little circle of friends,

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Will Edit!

I don't mind if People clone their Pokemon, because cloning Pokemon is a way of insuring your Pokemon. If you loose one cartrage, you could still have your hard trained Pokemon in another. This way, you don't feel too bad about loosing your other game file in any way you may loose it. I'm fine with it as long as People are not using GameShark Action, or any other cheeting devices.
Those things really suck, and it sucks the fun out of Pokemon. Not just the battles,
but durring the story mode as well.

People who use Cheat devices "In Any Game" tend to get board plying the game, due to the fact that cheat devices make everything easy, and no challange at all.

And once the person(s) stop using the cheat devices, and play a game the way it was ment to be played, like Pokemon, they will not be able to handle the difficulties
of training Pokemon for real.

People like this often quit playing...

This post has been edited by Lazer on Mar 26 2007, 09:17 AM

I have a rule when trading around clones, and I think it's a pretty rational rule X).
Anyhow, when I trade a competitive clone usually I ask that it is never used against me. Because two of the exact same Pokemon in the same battle, just ain't right. That's about it. Compy Franko, also has a rule in his tournaments.
Cloning is allowed, however there cannot be two of the exact same Pokemon in one tournament. This is also another justified rule imo.

Oh yeah Lazer, you're totally right on the cheating thing. I would say everyone that still plays today has cheated at least once, but those who continue to cheat to be competitive are skum! If they cheat for Pokemon then they aren't skilled at the Pokemon videogame period. It's not just the skill of "battling" that you need to be skilled. It's the training and breeding that is required to get to battling. Too many Netbattle players have just become so lazy and forgotten the roots of the game that they see everything in numbers now.

Not just that, but it's totally unethical to cheat in a multiplayer game without telling your opponent. It really is a huge unfair advantage, when players cheat for competitive stats. On another note though; I must cheat on Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas story mode . That game is just so damn hard that I wouldn't recommend anyone to play it without some cheats! It's such a crooked game, that you'd think they'd want you to cheat too X).

This post has been edited by BlueKiKatana on Mar 26 2007, 09:55 AM

I don't use any Cheats in any game I play. Except for Sonic2 for Sega Genesis.
It's the only way you can get "SuperTails".

Hey everyone,
Just thought I let you all know that we've introduced a New tournament rule at Pokemon Nation. It might be helpful to you guys here too. Check it out if you haven't yet.
http://z6.invisionfree.com/Pokemon_Nation/...p?showtopic=918

Imo opinion the following Pokemon should not be banned:

"Articuno, Zapdos, Moltres, Entei, Raikou, Suicune, Regice, Regirock, Registeel".

I just dont see them as that much of a threat as to unbalance the Metagame. If you are banning them based on power (580 Base Stat total is quite impressive), you might as well ban Dragonite, Tyranitar, Salamence, and Metagross for their 600 Base Stat totals as well. However, I wouldn't think that that's the best move seeing that a diverse metagame is almost always the most superior one.

Celebi and Jirachi aren't really ban worthy eitehr imo, they are however unobtainable and banned from nintendo tourneys, so I won't be defending them .. in this post.

"Articuno, Zapdos, Moltres, Entei, Raikou, Suicune, Regice, Regirock, Registeel".

I will mention yet again that these pokemon are not breedable in-game.
I full-heartedly agree that they are quite integrable, but only within the NetBattle metagame, simply because every pokemon is so easy to customize on the team. This is not so with the actual DS game, see what I'm saying?

Uh.. if someone wants to reset 300 hundred times for a right supporting Nature "legendary" and IVs of at least 22 (ie my Mewtwo and Kyogre, but they're Ubers) .. then why shouldn't they be able to use them in a tournament? (again i'm not refering to my two, but someone that has a Zapdos for example that wants to use it.)

As for the DP tourney, I thought you just meant that you didnt want someone resetting 300 times for an Azelf that will be deemed useless 6 months down the road when an actual metagame establishes. If thats not the case theni dont see why you should ban them.

That is the case if you cannot breed them... :/

"someone resetting 300 times for an Azelf that will be deemed useless 6 months down the road when an actual metagame establishes."

What I mean is that that would be time consuming and uneccessarily stressful for a tourney held two weeks after the games release. I'm still not really in favour of that rule even for the D/P tourney, I just thought that was your justification for it.

So the date is july 2008, and its been confirmed that Modest Azelf is clearly the superior nature, or at least one of the better ones. A player spends 2 months on and off resetting until he gets one with a perfect SpA and Spd IV and he is satisfied. Are you still going to be banning the legendary trios at this poiint in time? It appears that your only justification is that they are cheap because you can't breed for them, and my interperatation was that you were doing us a kind favour and saving us the stress of resetting for one within this two week period. But looking at your ADV ruleset which currently bans the trios I get the impression that I misinterpretted your reasoning for banning them.

If I am infact incorrect, then I'd like to ask once again what your reasoning is for banning unbreedable Pokemon? If that is the basis upon forbidding Pokemon than you might want to add Ditto to your list as well. Yu could argue that Ditto is weak and that no one uses it, but no one really uses Entei, Moltres, Rgisteel, Regirock, and Articuno either.

I personaly don't think Pokemon like these should be banned.
there are alot of Pokemon that are not banned that are in fact stronger than these non uber Legendaries.

It's definately true. You notice that a lot of the legendaries in this game have levitate, despite them not being flying Pokemon. This was done for a reason. A few of the legendaries in this game were edited for balancing factors. I think they're very relevant to the 4th gen competitive meta-game. Usually it is no problem to allow just one per team, though if the rules are already set in stone, I'm fine with them. In the future this is definately something to consider though.

Question if I might add...What about Phoneyand/or Manphy as they are beedable? ( at least Phoneys are anyway XD )

But I can see were you are comming from with the current ban list...I guess later down the road though changes will be made once a metagame is devloped ^_^;;

Phoney shouldn't even be counted as a legendary I think X).
It can't raise its stats and there are tons of water Pokemon more lethal than it, like say Swampert, Starmie and Lanturn.

Phione would definitely be allowed in Tournaments I host in the future.
Manaphy, however, would not.

Yeah, definitely. It's good to keep an open mind.

Duckman, about your earlier post--
That's ridiculous to assume that Ditto should be banned, too. Obviously, you can catch a whole bunch of them anytime. D/P doesn't have a way of cloning pokemon to my knowledge, so it's much harder to obtain varieties of legendaries. In my opinion, there is no "perfect nature + IV combo" as I'm always changing my strategy around.
So again, not having these banned is perfect for NetBattle, but not so much with actual cartridge play.

I hope you realize that I never use this term for something in a competitive game. Something can be broken, but I would never be so cowardly as to ban something for being "cheap."

That just won't seem like Petite at all!

man petite ure so cool i love u

I love her more! <3

lol petite,your being fought over