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Sox Sweep Again - July 14, 2007 05:23 PM (GMT)
Red Sox still warm for A-Rod
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BY BILL MADDEN and MARK FEINSAND
DAILY NEWS SPORTS WRITERS

Saturday, July 14th 2007, 4:00 AM

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ST. PETERSBURG - The Yankees' loss could be the Red Sox's gain this fall if Alex Rodriguez decides to opt out of his contract and become a free agent.

The Bombers have told A-Rod and his agent, Scott Boras, that they have no plans to become part of the bidding process if Rodriguez elects to become a free agent, but multiple baseball sources believe the Red Sox will make a huge push to add the two-time American League MVP if he becomes available.

The Red Sox nearly brought A-Rod to Boston in December 2003, but the deal fell through because Rodriguez's contract would have had to be restructured in order for it to happen, prompting the union to reject it.

One baseball source told the Daily News that Red Sox team president Larry Lucchino has wanted Rodriguez in a Boston uniform ever since the original deal collapsed, even after he was traded to the team's hated rival.

"Lucchino has never stopped wanting him," the source said.

Boston would have little trouble coming up with the money to pay Rodriguez, who likely will command a six- to eight-year contract worth $180 million-$240 million...


http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball...for_arod-2.html

Whaddya's all think?

ghostofdouggriffin - July 14, 2007 05:29 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Sox Sweep Again @ Jul 14 2007, 12:23 PM)
Red Sox still warm for A-Rod
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BY BILL MADDEN and MARK FEINSAND
DAILY NEWS SPORTS WRITERS

Saturday, July 14th 2007, 4:00 AM

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ST. PETERSBURG - The Yankees' loss could be the Red Sox's gain this fall if Alex Rodriguez decides to opt out of his contract and become a free agent.

The Bombers have told A-Rod and his agent, Scott Boras, that they have no plans to become part of the bidding process if Rodriguez elects to become a free agent, but multiple baseball sources believe the Red Sox will make a huge push to add the two-time American League MVP if he becomes available.

The Red Sox nearly brought A-Rod to Boston in December 2003, but the deal fell through because Rodriguez's contract would have had to be restructured in order for it to happen, prompting the union to reject it.

One baseball source told the Daily News that Red Sox team president Larry Lucchino has wanted Rodriguez in a Boston uniform ever since the original deal collapsed, even after he was traded to the team's hated rival.

"Lucchino has never stopped wanting him," the source said.

Boston would have little trouble coming up with the money to pay Rodriguez, who likely will command a six- to eight-year contract worth $180 million-$240 million...


http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball...for_arod-2.html

Whaddya's all think?

...uh... nono

macs3rd - July 14, 2007 06:15 PM (GMT)
Someone said that Arod would never come to Boston where he has been so disreected. Who has disrpected him more than the hate from the fans and the press last year and his team allowing his picture on the cover of SI, "The lonely Yankee" . So now Cashman is disrespecting him too. I am so hoping that the season he has been having ends with a great big "good bye &fuck you New York" I will say :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

tracey - July 14, 2007 08:23 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (macs3rd @ Jul 14 2007, 01:15 PM)
Someone said that Arod would never come to Boston where he has been so disreected. Who has disrpected him more than the hate from the fans and the press last year and his team allowing his picture on the cover of SI, "The lonely Yankee" . So now Cashman is disrespecting him too. I am so hoping that the season he has been having ends with a great big "good bye &fuck you New York" I will say :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

arod 8 years?

xero2099 - July 14, 2007 08:23 PM (GMT)
i hate to say it but if the seaon ended to day arod would be the mvp he has single handedly kept the mfy out of the basement, unlike NY , if you huslt and play hard here you get cheered regardless

macs3rd - July 14, 2007 08:55 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (tracey @ Jul 14 2007, 03:23 PM)
QUOTE (macs3rd @ Jul 14 2007, 01:15 PM)
Someone said that Arod would never come to Boston where he has been so disreected. Who has disrpected him more than the hate from the fans and the press last year and his team allowing his picture on the cover of SI, "The lonely Yankee" .  So now  Cashman is disrespecting him too.  I am so hoping that the season he has been having ends with a great big "good bye &fuck you New York"  I will say :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:

arod 8 years?

My point isn't about where he might go. I'd be glad if he flipped off the NYY and their fans on the way out.

HomeHalf - July 14, 2007 09:14 PM (GMT)
I think he'll become another bad contract we can't unload. Yes, he's playing well but his lack of integrity and discretion coupled with his "unclutchness" don't sit well with me. He seems like a club house cancer type, big stick or no. (I'm betting no ;)).

Offbase - July 14, 2007 10:11 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Sox Sweep Again @ Jul 14 2007, 01:23 PM)
Whaddya's all think?

nono nono nono nono barf

tracey - July 14, 2007 10:15 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Offbase @ Jul 14 2007, 05:11 PM)
QUOTE (Sox Sweep Again @ Jul 14 2007, 01:23 PM)
Whaddya's all think?

nono nono nono nono barf

if the sox did go after arod i assume manny is hasta la vista,so it boils down to manny vs arod,id want to see what manny produces the rest of the year,bearing in mind we only have one more year with manny and the contract.

macs3rd - July 14, 2007 10:16 PM (GMT)
:confused: It totally blows my mind. Some were wanting to have Clemens back, but the Arod bashing has been alot worse, I think. Anyine know of other situations where a player so unpopular has been traded to the place where he was really really unpopular. Does it depend on performance? Anyone know similar moves that have been made???

JayhawkBill - July 14, 2007 10:32 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (HomeHalf @ Jul 14 2007, 04:14 PM)
I think he'll become another bad contract we can't unload. Yes, he's playing well but his lack of integrity and discretion coupled with his "unclutchness" don't sit well with me. He seems like a club house cancer type, big stick or no. (I'm betting no ;)).

Good post.

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On the up side, A Rod is used to being hated in a major media market and still performing...that's a pretty rare skill. :thumbup:

On the down side, he'll probably hit something like .275/.375/.500 through his 30's, and he might not be able to play SS any more...and $30 million a year is a lot to pay for a guy who hits like that...especially one who's despised by 90% of the fans the day that he arrives.

I'll pass.

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Of course, if he took lessons on how to adapt to Boston culture from Steven Tyler and Johnny Pesky, I might reconsider. ;)

deggy24 - July 14, 2007 10:37 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (tracey @ Jul 14 2007, 04:15 PM)
QUOTE (Offbase @ Jul 14 2007, 05:11 PM)
QUOTE (Sox Sweep Again @ Jul 14 2007, 01:23 PM)
Whaddya's all think?

nono nono nono nono barf

if the sox did go after arod i assume manny is hasta la vista,so it boils down to manny vs arod,id want to see what manny produces the rest of the year,bearing in mind we only have one more year with manny and the contract.

why not this .. sign Gayrod on the salary savings of Lowell and Schilling? have Manny, Tiz, ARod for one year and then you figure out if you want to sign Manny ..

Sox Sweep Again - July 14, 2007 10:41 PM (GMT)
I'm ambivalent about this. I'd love to see him stick it to the Yankee fans who have been merciless to him for no good reason, but I also worry that he's a huge clubhouse distraction (potentially) who costs a ton and doesn't perform consistently in the clutch.

However, you cannot deny that he would be a monster in Fenway, and has been a monster in Fenway.

It's not my money; I like the "F You, New York" angle... I'd say... yeah. Okay.

I could certainly root for him in a Bosox uniform; that's not my issue. My issue is whether he helps the team vis a vis his stats overcoming his pressure performance and clubhouse distractions.

StartedIn67 - July 14, 2007 11:54 PM (GMT)
Man...this is a toughie.

A-Rod on our team reduces my humor supply by 25%!!!! ;)

OK...trying to look at this seriously.

Is A-Rod a good player? Yes. Yes he is.
Is A-Rod a GREAT player? Yes. Yes he is.
A-Rod seems to have his issues off-field, or blabbing sometimes when he shouldn't.

But...

And I can't believe I'm saying this...

Don't our boys have their own issues as well? Haven't some of our own players sometimes run off at the mouth as well? I'm sure we cut our guys some slack because, well, they're our guys.... :P

And I'm sure sometimes we squawk more at OTHER players when those players are on the Yankees (Lord knows, I'm guilty of this).

And A-Rod DID want to come to Boston. Remember, the deal was vetoed by the players union or something like that.

Could he fit here? Maybe. Who knows. All the pictures I've seen where players are mingling with each other, I see A-Rod yukking it up with the likes of Manny and Papi....

As for the Clemens thing....a lot of Sox fans unload vitriol at him because he said he only wanted to play for either the Sox or Texas, and he went to the BJs AND of course, the MFYs.

Of course, he didn't come back to us this year either, but considering his performance thus far (with a few exceptions), he may have done us a big favor! :thumbup: :rofl:

So. Could A-Rod be a Red Sox? He wanted it once. Does he still?

Would the fans embrace him?

Well, it's a wonder what wearing a "B" on your ballcap will do for a player, even one who was originally booed. It's even more of a wonder of what happens if that same player starts playing MVP baseball for YOUR team.

A-Rod as a Red Sox. Inconcievable? Or perhaps, when looked at closely, not so far-fetched an idea....

NickMalone - July 15, 2007 02:50 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (StartedIn67 @ Jul 14 2007, 11:54 PM)
Man...this is a toughie.

A-Rod on our team reduces my humor supply by 25%!!!! ;)

OK...trying to look at this seriously.

Is A-Rod a good player? Yes. Yes he is.
Is A-Rod a GREAT player? Yes. Yes he is.
A-Rod seems to have his issues off-field, or blabbing sometimes when he shouldn't.

But...

And I can't believe I'm saying this...

Don't our boys have their own issues as well? Haven't some of our own players sometimes run off at the mouth as well? I'm sure we cut our guys some slack because, well, they're our guys.... :P

And I'm sure sometimes we squawk more at OTHER players when those players are on the Yankees (Lord knows, I'm guilty of this).

And A-Rod DID want to come to Boston. Remember, the deal was vetoed by the players union or something like that.

Could he fit here? Maybe. Who knows. All the pictures I've seen where players are mingling with each other, I see A-Rod yukking it up with the likes of Manny and Papi....

As for the Clemens thing....a lot of Sox fans unload vitriol at him because he said he only wanted to play for either the Sox or Texas, and he went to the BJs AND of course, the MFYs.

Of course, he didn't come back to us this year either, but considering his performance thus far (with a few exceptions), he may have done us a big favor! :thumbup: :rofl:

So. Could A-Rod be a Red Sox? He wanted it once. Does he still?

Would the fans embrace him?

Well, it's a wonder what wearing a "B" on your ballcap will do for a player, even one who was originally booed. It's even more of a wonder of what happens if that same player starts playing MVP baseball for YOUR team.

A-Rod as a Red Sox. Inconcievable? Or perhaps, when looked at closely, not so far-fetched an idea....

I believe A-Rod would be a monster in Boston. I would just love to see us put one over on the Yankees in a personnel move for a change. I remember Boggs cutting out on us for NY and Clemens via Toronto and Damon most recently. Rod in a Red Sox uniform would be like an earthquake in the Red Sox-Yankees rivalry and would elevate it to even greater fury. Besides, I think he would turn that Monster into his own playground. I would take him.

soxfaninnyc - July 15, 2007 01:34 PM (GMT)
No thanks. Sure he's great... but how many playoff appearances does he have? Why is it that the other players on the Yankees and around the league never defend him when he's blasted in the media? Why is it that he has more highlights for doing silly things like slapping gloves and yelling "mine" than any other player in the game?

$30M for a guy who I just don't like? Pass. I'd rather see him on the Cubs.

ghostofdouggriffin - July 15, 2007 01:45 PM (GMT)
I'd rather see the Forehead under center for the Pats then A-Rod at 3rd for the Sox.

Put me in the negative column.

...besides, I really fear for the quality of Started's material :hairraising:

janeyjane17 - July 15, 2007 02:01 PM (GMT)
I posted this over at RSN, but wanted to post it here too . . .

I'd try to get ARod in a heartbeat. We need a RHH, we need a 3b - he fits both. To compare him in later years to what we're seeing in Manny this year doesn't quite seem to fit because, IMHO, Rodriguez is in a different league physically. His body seems like a different beast then Manny's, and just from appearances, it seems like it would hold up a little bit better. That and Rodriguez is an all-around better athlete. If his defense is subpar at SS or 3rd as he ages, since he was high on the defensive spectrum (SS), as he ages he can be moved to less defensive positions - OF, 1B. This isn't signing a slugger like Giambi who had nowhere to go once he moved down the defensive spectrum other than DH - this is an athlete who can play the field in his 30's, and likely will be able to do so as he ages throughout the contract.

I know this is way out there and completely unlikely, but I think if the Yankees determine that ARod is going to hit FA no matter what they offer him before he opts out, and if they are being honest that they will not get in a bidding war for him, organizationally it makes the most sense for them to do something that seems the most counterintuitive: trade him. Before I get crucified (I said it's basically not going to happen), hear me out.

If the Yanks don't think they'll get the extension done because Boras' clients always go to the open market, and the Yanks don't want to get in a bidding war - then they WILL lose Arod, who is due for a HISTORICAL payday (again). If the Yanks are going to lose ARod, why hang onto him until the end of the season? If the organization is realistic, there is little chance of the Yanks taking the division with the Sox pitching. On top of that, chances of even making the Wild Card are really low because of who they'll need to leapfrog. This is a team getting old fast with no pitching to speak of and poised to lose its best player (and THE best player in the league) to Free Agency and receive ONLY draft picks in return. Even keeping AROD isn't going to solve all of their problems long term.

If they trade him, they'll inevitably get top, young (probably even MLB-ready) prospects. Even if trading ARod means another team has a better shot at extending him, it makes it less likely that he ends up in Fenway (always forefront in the Bombers' mind, as the Sheffield situation demonstrated). Longterm, this also makes so much sense for the Yanks - they could demand THE top talent in return for ARod, even if he's only a rental. The Dodgers and Angels would surely be interested - both teams that possess fantastic farm systems and are able to afford him. ARod would mean their top prospect or two, and then some. This could fill Yankee holes in the rotation, holes in the OF or IF, and maybe net a really good bullpen arm. 3 for 1 isn't unrealistic for the best player in baseball, especially if the receiving team thinks they can ink ARod's extension.

Frankly, with the season almost assuredly in the toilet for the Yanks (pun intended), the top talent they could net at league minimums and how it would bolster their team for years to come, it may even be worth trading AROD away for that talent, and the Yanks entering the FA bidding and paying more for him on the open market at the end of the season. Since their farm system isn't that strong, the only way they are going to get talent is by using money (either for overpriced FA or paying bloated contracts to acquire people). Even if they'd be paying AROD 10 million a year more than they would have had they inked the extension and had Hicks' money to work with, we know they'd use that money anyway on lesser talents they can acquire through FA. Might as well get better, younger, cheaper talent that you handpick through a trade of AROD, and then go out and overpay again for him.

I know it's a radical move that I can't see the Yanks making, but strategically - it makes so much freaking sense to them. Get the perks of trading AROD, improve their team for the future by infusing young, Grade-A talent at positions of need, then overpay to get AROD back while maintaining the young talent (whose low cost vs what you'd pay on the open market to fill those positions of need should make up for the 10 mil extra per year they'd be paying for AROD). Even if they aren't able to get ARod once he hits FA, they shed salary, got younger and can go after Zambrano a little more forcefully or use the talent they acquired to get someone like Miguel Cabrera. It's kind of a win-win for them, which is precisely why I don't see it happening ;)

Old Faithful - July 15, 2007 02:41 PM (GMT)
I find it hard to believe that any team will pay A-Rod 30 million per, this off season, to begin with. But, hey, its his choice and he lives with the consequences... I don't want to see him in Boston though... :thumbdown:

I'll take another 2-3 years years of Mike Lowell, Manny and Curt Schilling thank you.....

What I would really love to see, and it would speak volumes about whether A Rod could ever really be happy or be about TEAM, is for him to go back to Seattle, for short money, and give that city another shot at a title.

macs3rd - July 15, 2007 02:50 PM (GMT)
I don;t want him on the Red Sox - I just want him to say fuck you to NY

JayhawkBill - July 15, 2007 04:50 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Old Faithful @ Jul 15 2007, 09:41 AM)
I find it hard to believe that any team will pay A-Rod 30 million per, this off season, to begin with.

I do too, except for two things:

1) The 141 articles on Google News suggesting that he'll earn $30+ million a year; and

2) BP MORP suggests players were worth $1,200,000*(WARP^1.5) + $380,000 in the 2006-2007 market. A-Rod is on track for a 12.8 WARP season (his WARP3 is 12.8...and WARP3 regresses to the mean a bit, it doesn't just extrapolate WARP1). That means that A-Rod is estimated by BP to be worth over $55 million right now. :o

If he's worth $55 million for this year's stats, the greater fool will probably pay $30 million annually for 6-8 years.

IMO. YMMV. ;)

Offbase - July 15, 2007 04:51 PM (GMT)
JJ - you make tons of sense, hopefully too much for Cashman to listen, because your plan could make the Y's better.

OF - if ARod did that, I might hate him a little less. Not sure how I feel about that, LOL!

Macs - I don't think he has the guts to do that.

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ARod is talented but he isn't worth the payroll percentage $30 million a year represents. Boras is banking on the HR chase and that doesn't interest me in the least. Neither do his wife's t-shirts or anything else he brings to the table. In a completely numbers driven world, I guess ARod is appealing. As a fan ... nono

tracey - July 15, 2007 06:17 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Offbase @ Jul 15 2007, 11:51 AM)
JJ - you make tons of sense, hopefully too much for Cashman to listen, because your plan could make the Y's better.

OF - if ARod did that, I might hate him a little less. Not sure how I feel about that, LOL!

Macs - I don't think he has the guts to do that.

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ARod is talented but he isn't worth the payroll percentage $30 million a year represents. Boras is banking on the HR chase and that doesn't interest me in the least. Neither do his wife's t-shirts or anything else he brings to the table. In a completely numbers driven world, I guess ARod is appealing. As a fan ... nono

if the yanks are not making up ground on the sox or the playoffs than they should trade arod,the sox are likely not really interested.,they will be cchasing pitching

SoxNationGermany - July 16, 2007 11:58 AM (GMT)
You just kow that the Red Sox will make an attempt, and a good one at that, to get A-Rod. And they should otherwise they should all be fired for deriliction of duty.

We need to remain objective about A-Rod and realise that whenever a top of the line player becomes available that the Boston Red Sox are just one of those teams that is expected to put a deal under the microscope.

A-Rod is what he is, probably the best all around player playing the game right now and will end up as one of the best ever.

V-Tek leather sandwich, slap happy down the 1st base line, being a Yankee........sure, we have subjective reasons to "hate" the guy, but when you are honest about the production this guy brings to a team, well, it is amazing.

However, I will not let my mind go to far down that road because he is afterall still a Yankee and I never count on anything when it comes to them.

Offbase - July 16, 2007 12:49 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (SoxNationGermany @ Jul 16 2007, 07:58 AM)
You just kow that the Red Sox will make an attempt, and a good one at that, to get A-Rod.  And they should otherwise they should all be fired for deriliction of duty. 

We need to remain objective about A-Rod and realise that whenever a top of the line player becomes available that the Boston Red Sox are just one of those teams that is expected to put a deal under the microscope.

A-Rod is what he is, probably the best all around player playing the game right now and will end up as one of the best ever.

V-Tek leather sandwich, slap happy down the 1st base line, being a Yankee........sure, we have subjective reasons to "hate" the guy, but when you are honest about the production this guy brings to a team, well, it is amazing. 

However, I will not let my mind go to far down that road because he is afterall still a Yankee and I never count on anything when it comes to them.

SNG, I've already acknowledged that my position is entirely emotional. But in this case, I'm not going to let cold hard facts get in the way, lol.

That said - is ARod worth three Mike Lowells? Cuz that's what he's going to cost, if not more.

tracey - July 16, 2007 12:55 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Offbase @ Jul 16 2007, 07:49 AM)
QUOTE (SoxNationGermany @ Jul 16 2007, 07:58 AM)
You just kow that the Red Sox will make an attempt, and a good one at that, to get A-Rod.  And they should otherwise they should all be fired for deriliction of duty. 

We need to remain objective about A-Rod and realise that whenever a top of the line player becomes available that the Boston Red Sox are just one of those teams that is expected to put a deal under the microscope.

A-Rod is what he is, probably the best all around player playing the game right now and will end up as one of the best ever.

V-Tek leather sandwich, slap happy down the 1st base line, being a Yankee........sure, we have subjective reasons to "hate" the guy, but when you are honest about the production this guy brings to a team, well, it is amazing. 

However, I will not let my mind go to far down that road because he is afterall still a Yankee and I never count on anything when it comes to them.

SNG, I've already acknowledged that my position is entirely emotional. But in this case, I'm not going to let cold hard facts get in the way, lol.

That said - is ARod worth three Mike Lowells? Cuz that's what he's going to cost, if not more.

the question is is mike lowell going to be worth more money than he already is assuming he does not collaspe as history says he does,the othre issue is the overall player market and lets face it its been a selers market for a long time.i of course am on the fence on this one.

SoxNationGermany - July 16, 2007 02:55 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Offbase @ Jul 16 2007, 07:49 AM)
QUOTE (SoxNationGermany @ Jul 16 2007, 07:58 AM)
You just kow that the Red Sox will make an attempt, and a good one at that, to get A-Rod.  And they should otherwise they should all be fired for deriliction of duty. 

We need to remain objective about A-Rod and realise that whenever a top of the line player becomes available that the Boston Red Sox are just one of those teams that is expected to put a deal under the microscope.

A-Rod is what he is, probably the best all around player playing the game right now and will end up as one of the best ever.

V-Tek leather sandwich, slap happy down the 1st base line, being a Yankee........sure, we have subjective reasons to "hate" the guy, but when you are honest about the production this guy brings to a team, well, it is amazing. 

However, I will not let my mind go to far down that road because he is afterall still a Yankee and I never count on anything when it comes to them.

SNG, I've already acknowledged that my position is entirely emotional. But in this case, I'm not going to let cold hard facts get in the way, lol.

That said - is ARod worth three Mike Lowells? Cuz that's what he's going to cost, if not more.

I'm not sure how one places value on a player of A-Rods production and potential. I think JHB has a post here indicating that a formula used by BP has him valued at $55 Million right now.

On the emotion side, hey, I'm right there with you. A-Rod is about as interesting to listen to as paint is interesting to watch dry. I mean A-Rod interviews make Johnny Damon interviews seem interesting.

But then there is the topic of his production and potential.................I would not want to be the GM responsible for assigning value to his potential 6 years from now when differing multiples of millions measure in dozens are being thrown about..................but that is why GMs earn their salaries.

I A-Rod worth 3 Mike Lowells or are 3 Mike Lowells worth 1 A-Rod????????? I can tell you that this year A-Rod IS worth 3 Mike Lowells. But what will it look like in 2013 six years in.....................I am glad I am not the one who has to make that call.

faithfulexile - July 16, 2007 03:13 PM (GMT)
I would hold my nose and make the deal - provided there was no blanket no-trade clause. I have seen first hand (as a Phillies fan/observer) how hamstrung the nt clauses can render management.

tracey - July 16, 2007 04:25 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (faithfulexile @ Jul 16 2007, 10:13 AM)
I would hold my nose and make the deal - provided there was no blanket no-trade clause. I have seen first hand (as a Phillies fan/observer) how hamstrung the nt clauses can render management.

the 30 plus million is a no trade clause. :D

Offbase - July 16, 2007 04:28 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (SoxNationGermany @ Jul 16 2007, 10:55 AM)
QUOTE (Offbase @ Jul 16 2007, 07:49 AM)
QUOTE (SoxNationGermany @ Jul 16 2007, 07:58 AM)
You just kow that the Red Sox will make an attempt, and a good one at that, to get A-Rod.  And they should otherwise they should all be fired for deriliction of duty. 

We need to remain objective about A-Rod and realise that whenever a top of the line player becomes available that the Boston Red Sox are just one of those teams that is expected to put a deal under the microscope.

A-Rod is what he is, probably the best all around player playing the game right now and will end up as one of the best ever.

V-Tek leather sandwich, slap happy down the 1st base line, being a Yankee........sure, we have subjective reasons to "hate" the guy, but when you are honest about the production this guy brings to a team, well, it is amazing. 

However, I will not let my mind go to far down that road because he is afterall still a Yankee and I never count on anything when it comes to them.

SNG, I've already acknowledged that my position is entirely emotional. But in this case, I'm not going to let cold hard facts get in the way, lol.

That said - is ARod worth three Mike Lowells? Cuz that's what he's going to cost, if not more.

I'm not sure how one places value on a player of A-Rods production and potential. I think JHB has a post here indicating that a formula used by BP has him valued at $55 Million right now.

On the emotion side, hey, I'm right there with you. A-Rod is about as interesting to listen to as paint is interesting to watch dry. I mean A-Rod interviews make Johnny Damon interviews seem interesting.

But then there is the topic of his production and potential.................I would not want to be the GM responsible for assigning value to his potential 6 years from now when differing multiples of millions measure in dozens are being thrown about..................but that is why GMs earn their salaries.

I A-Rod worth 3 Mike Lowells or are 3 Mike Lowells worth 1 A-Rod????????? I can tell you that this year A-Rod IS worth 3 Mike Lowells. But what will it look like in 2013 six years in.....................I am glad I am not the one who has to make that call.

By what measure?

soxfaninnyc - July 16, 2007 04:44 PM (GMT)
I just find it hard to believe that this guy has never done anything of note in the postseason. If he's worth more than the entire Florida Marlins payroll, how come they have 2 rings and he has none?

JayhawkBill - July 16, 2007 04:59 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (soxfaninnyc @ Jul 16 2007, 11:44 AM)
I just find it hard to believe that this guy has never done anything of note in the postseason. If he's worth more than the entire Florida Marlins payroll, how come they have 2 rings and he has none?

Dunno. Maybe cuz his batting .280/.362/.485 in 35 post-season games wasn't good enough given the failures of his teammates? :confused:

ghostofdouggriffin - July 16, 2007 05:05 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (soxfaninnyc @ Jul 16 2007, 11:44 AM)
I just find it hard to believe that this guy has never done anything of note in the postseason.  If he's worth more than the entire Florida Marlins payroll, how come they have 2 rings and he has none?

Far be it from me to come to the guys defense, but prior to Game 4 he put up stellar post-season numbers.

here are the numbers:

http://www.baseball-reference.com/r/rodrial01.shtml

That being said, the thought of the guy in Red Sox makes me barf

StartedIn67 - July 16, 2007 05:30 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (soxfaninnyc @ Jul 16 2007, 12:44 PM)
I just find it hard to believe that this guy has never done anything of note in the postseason. If he's worth more than the entire Florida Marlins payroll, how come they have 2 rings and he has none?

One player can't carry an entire team. Clearly, the man's a gifted athlete. If anything, I think Slappy suffers from "wrong place, wrong time" syndrome.

I mean, if we had gotten him during that one attempt (and remember, he WANTED to come here, and was willing to take a pay cut), he most likely would have a World Series ring right now. Most likely, anyway.

When looking at A-Rod, I think part of what needs to be asked is, "With all of the talent the NYYs have, why have they come up short all this millennia?"

Now, I'm not going to touch the word "intangibles", or "chemistry", but sometimes a team fits together, and sometimes it doesn't. Granted, the Yankees also have holes, holes that haven't been filled, and that's certainly a big part of it as well.

Even now, the Yankees, for all their much-vaunted talent, are barely a .500 team. To Hell with that ridiculous piece on Boston.com this morning, talking about the Yankees hoping this recent series vs Tampa Bay will ignite a spark. It's effing TAMPA BAY, fer Pete's sake. What, beating up the division cellar dwellers is supposed to serve as a catalyst? That's pathetic.

Wheeling back around to A-Rod, the man clearly wants to win it all. The Yankees in their current state, cannot and will not win it all. I would go so far to say that the Yankees are at least one more season away from having a team with the depth and talent to go deep into the post-season. A-Rod wants a ring, and he's a fantastic player.

Frankly, all homer tendencies aside, Boston's a better bet for going all the way than the Yanks are (yes, I know we have problems, but they're easier to address than the Yankees' are).

I could see A-Rod saying "Screw the Yankees....they're a bust", and leaving. I daresay he's already said that to himself at the beginning of the season, and, with that albatross no longer around his neck, he's played more like a champion should.

Don't get me wrong...I find A-Rod annoying. But of course, there's NO one on the Sox, currently or recently, that anyone could consider annoying. :rolleyes:

SoxNationGermany - July 17, 2007 06:51 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (soxfaninnyc @ Jul 16 2007, 11:44 AM)
I just find it hard to believe that this guy has never done anything of note in the postseason. If he's worth more than the entire Florida Marlins payroll, how come they have 2 rings and he has none?

Lots of "urban myth" syndrome surounding A-Rod as well. Tired and tested lines like "when he leaves a team they begin to win" which is just wrong. Seattle never won big without him and Texas.......................

Another one is the post season "suck" myth. A-Rod may not have been Mr. Dynamite in the post seasons with the Yankees, but neither were the rest of the Yankees.

I'll say it again, as an individual I finde A-Rod borring and arogant and slightly nauseating. As a player................he is without question in the top 3 active players and if he avoids injury (which he has) he will rank in the top 10 ever. He is the consumate all around baseball player, excells at all aspects of the game.

soxfaninnyc - July 17, 2007 01:31 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (SoxNationGermany @ Jul 17 2007, 01:51 AM)
QUOTE (soxfaninnyc @ Jul 16 2007, 11:44 AM)
I just find it hard to believe that this guy has never done anything of note in the postseason.  If he's worth more than the entire Florida Marlins payroll, how come they have 2 rings and he has none?

Lots of "urban myth" syndrome surounding A-Rod as well. Tired and tested lines like "when he leaves a team they begin to win" which is just wrong. Seattle never won big without him and Texas.......................

Another one is the post season "suck" myth. A-Rod may not have been Mr. Dynamite in the post seasons with the Yankees, but neither were the rest of the Yankees.

I'll say it again, as an individual I finde A-Rod borring and arogant and slightly nauseating. As a player................he is without question in the top 3 active players and if he avoids injury (which he has) he will rank in the top 10 ever. He is the consumate all around baseball player, excells at all aspects of the game.

Not to continue the urban legend... but...

Seattle won 116 games the year after he left and fell to the Yankees in the ALCS and were in pennant races in 2002 and 2003.

The Rangers won their division in 3 of the 5 years prior to A-Rod's arrival.

The Yankees went to the WS in 2 of 3 seasons immediately prior to A-Rod's arrival.

It just seems odd that A-Rod is a perpetual victim of circumstance whereever he goes. His defense after the slap play was that he had no choice... the "mine" situation in Toronto "happens to him 3 times a week"...

A-Rod is always the victim, maybe that's why his life coach/therapist needs to give him a daily affirmation.

SoxNationGermany - July 17, 2007 01:48 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (soxfaninnyc @ Jul 17 2007, 08:31 AM)
QUOTE (SoxNationGermany @ Jul 17 2007, 01:51 AM)
QUOTE (soxfaninnyc @ Jul 16 2007, 11:44 AM)
I just find it hard to believe that this guy has never done anything of note in the postseason.  If he's worth more than the entire Florida Marlins payroll, how come they have 2 rings and he has none?

Lots of "urban myth" syndrome surounding A-Rod as well. Tired and tested lines like "when he leaves a team they begin to win" which is just wrong. Seattle never won big without him and Texas.......................

Another one is the post season "suck" myth. A-Rod may not have been Mr. Dynamite in the post seasons with the Yankees, but neither were the rest of the Yankees.

I'll say it again, as an individual I finde A-Rod borring and arogant and slightly nauseating. As a player................he is without question in the top 3 active players and if he avoids injury (which he has) he will rank in the top 10 ever. He is the consumate all around baseball player, excells at all aspects of the game.

Not to continue the urban legend... but...

Seattle won 116 games the year after he left and fell to the Yankees in the ALCS and were in pennant races in 2002 and 2003.

The Rangers won their division in 3 of the 5 years prior to A-Rod's arrival.

The Yankees went to the WS in 2 of 3 seasons immediately prior to A-Rod's arrival.

It just seems odd that A-Rod is a perpetual victim of circumstance whereever he goes. His defense after the slap play was that he had no choice... the "mine" situation in Toronto "happens to him 3 times a week"...

A-Rod is always the victim, maybe that's why his life coach/therapist needs to give him a daily affirmation.

QUOTE
It just seems odd that A-Rod is a perpetual victim of circumstance whereever he goes. His defense after the slap play was that he had no choice... the "mine" situation in Toronto "happens to him 3 times a week"...

A-Rod is always the victim, maybe that's why his life coach/therapist needs to give him a daily affirmation.


Agree with you here and it is also part of the qualitative reasons that I do not like the man as a man...............but there is no arguing his value as a baseball player. And I disagree with the proposition that Seattle and Texas became better teams with the departure of A-Rod.

soxfaninnyc - July 17, 2007 01:54 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (SoxNationGermany @ Jul 17 2007, 08:48 AM)
QUOTE (soxfaninnyc @ Jul 17 2007, 08:31 AM)
QUOTE (SoxNationGermany @ Jul 17 2007, 01:51 AM)
QUOTE (soxfaninnyc @ Jul 16 2007, 11:44 AM)
I just find it hard to believe that this guy has never done anything of note in the postseason.  If he's worth more than the entire Florida Marlins payroll, how come they have 2 rings and he has none?

Lots of "urban myth" syndrome surounding A-Rod as well. Tired and tested lines like "when he leaves a team they begin to win" which is just wrong. Seattle never won big without him and Texas.......................

Another one is the post season "suck" myth. A-Rod may not have been Mr. Dynamite in the post seasons with the Yankees, but neither were the rest of the Yankees.

I'll say it again, as an individual I finde A-Rod borring and arogant and slightly nauseating. As a player................he is without question in the top 3 active players and if he avoids injury (which he has) he will rank in the top 10 ever. He is the consumate all around baseball player, excells at all aspects of the game.

Not to continue the urban legend... but...

Seattle won 116 games the year after he left and fell to the Yankees in the ALCS and were in pennant races in 2002 and 2003.

The Rangers won their division in 3 of the 5 years prior to A-Rod's arrival.

The Yankees went to the WS in 2 of 3 seasons immediately prior to A-Rod's arrival.

It just seems odd that A-Rod is a perpetual victim of circumstance whereever he goes. His defense after the slap play was that he had no choice... the "mine" situation in Toronto "happens to him 3 times a week"...

A-Rod is always the victim, maybe that's why his life coach/therapist needs to give him a daily affirmation.

QUOTE
It just seems odd that A-Rod is a perpetual victim of circumstance whereever he goes. His defense after the slap play was that he had no choice... the "mine" situation in Toronto "happens to him 3 times a week"...

A-Rod is always the victim, maybe that's why his life coach/therapist needs to give him a daily affirmation.


Agree with you here and it is also part of the qualitative reasons that I do not like the man as a man...............but there is no arguing his value as a baseball player. And I disagree with the proposition that Seattle and Texas became better teams with the departure of A-Rod.

Texas probably not. But Seattle put up one of the greatest seasons of all time the year he departed.

SoxNationGermany - July 17, 2007 02:01 PM (GMT)
QUOTE
Texas probably not. But Seattle put up one of the greatest seasons of all time the year he departed.


I bet there were plenty of Seattle fans and management thinking, "gee, if only we'd have had A-Rod" in the serries with the Yankees.

116 wins and no hardware or pennants to show does not constitute getting better. They also went into a downward spiral thereafter as well, just now begining to really recover.

soxfaninnyc - July 17, 2007 02:02 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (SoxNationGermany @ Jul 17 2007, 09:01 AM)
116 wins and no hardware or pennants to show does not constitute getting better.

If you say so.




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