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Offbase - February 25, 2010 10:03 PM (GMT)
I'll start this off with a player who knows his numbers ... and a few other things:

FORT MYERS, Fla. -- He's a breath of fresh air down here.

New Red Sox outfielder Mike Cameron took some time out to chat with fans in Fort Myers today about his number, playing center field, Manny Ramirez, and more.

"We got a good team here," a jovial Cameron said today. "I just want to be on it."

On taking over center field for Jacoby Ellsbury: "I'm just holding the spot for him for a few months," Cam said. "He's played left ... I haven't. We talked... as players, we don't really worry about that. I can play left... it's not like I can't play the position, there's just things you have to learn about the position, so he just kind of helps out.

"[Being the Sox centerfielder] means I have to play the position really good or otherwise I'll be the conversation of the year," the affable Cameron said. "I never worry about it. Everything works out."

One fan reminded Cameron not to go into the Green Monster during games to hang out. "I won't do that," Cameron said laughing. "He [Manny] was good though, crazy good."

On choosing No. 23: "I'll tell you the story, Mikey Lowell wears 25, so I couldn't take that because he's been here forever," Cameron said. "I didn't want to wear 44 (Jason Bay's number with the Sox last year) because that's kind of a touchy situation. I was like, 'I don't want to wear that.' And then 24 is semi-retired, because of Manny (Ramirez), and Dewey Evans, so I said I'm going back to my minor league number. But Tito told me if you wear No. 23, make sure you don't miss the first ball because [the crowd] will go 'LUUUGO!' It's crazy... I mean it always works out."

One fan complained that Rays star B.J. Upton won't give out autographs or talk to fans during spring training. "Some guys are different," Cameron said. "Some guys just have different agendas."



Candid Cameron

billyoregon - February 26, 2010 12:10 AM (GMT)
Biggest number thing is Ellsbury going to 2 from 46.

Just think how many more bases he can steal with all that excess fabric off his back

ThinMan - February 26, 2010 03:12 AM (GMT)
Red Sox players are filling up spring training camp this week, and that means Canton ophthalmologist Dr. Daniel Laby won’t be far behind. Thursday he will set up shop in a trailer at the Fort Myers, Fla., complex so he can examine their eyesight, making sure they can keep their eye on the ball. Before heading south, Laby, a Harvard professor who specializes in pediatric ophthalmology when he’s not working with pro athletes, spoke by phone about sports vision.

Putting baseball in focus

Offbase - February 26, 2010 02:56 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (ThinMan @ Feb 25 2010, 10:12 PM)
Red Sox players are filling up spring training camp this week, and that means Canton ophthalmologist Dr. Daniel Laby won’t be far behind. Thursday he will set up shop in a trailer at the Fort Myers, Fla., complex so he can examine their eyesight, making sure they can keep their eye on the ball. Before heading south, Laby, a Harvard professor who specializes in pediatric ophthalmology when he’s not working with pro athletes, spoke by phone about sports vision.

Putting baseball in focus

Heh.

Q. What about umpires?
A. [Laby’s group] did make some contact with Major League Baseball to get permission to evaluate the umpires’ vision. They don’t have to tell if [a pitch is] a fastball or a curveball, or see spin as players do, but they do have to see where it crosses the plate. To our chagrin there was no interest.

ThinMan - February 26, 2010 04:24 PM (GMT)
The doctor who performed the meatball surgery on Curt Schilling's ankle in 2004 which led to the bloody sock has had his license suspended and is under investigation for... something.

The bloody sock doctor is in big trouble

tracey - February 26, 2010 04:47 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (ThinMan @ Feb 26 2010, 11:24 AM)
The doctor who performed the meatball surgery on Curt Schilling's ankle in 2004 which led to the bloody sock has had his license suspended and is under investigation for... something.

The bloody sock doctor is in big trouble

Hey,for fixing schilling he deserves a a pass and a pardon .

rominer - February 26, 2010 07:28 PM (GMT)
This sounds like something I would do.

http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/red-sox/pos...-feeling-better

ThinMan - February 27, 2010 02:01 AM (GMT)
Eric Hinske's ink

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rominer - February 27, 2010 02:53 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (ThinMan @ Feb 26 2010, 06:01 PM)
Eric Hinske's ink


That's a great idea, tattooing an underwear band on your back.

That could really throw people for a loop if you were a plumber.

ThinMan - February 27, 2010 01:58 PM (GMT)
Casey Kelly

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HomeHalf - February 27, 2010 03:09 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (ThinMan @ Feb 26 2010, 10:01 PM)
Eric Hinske's ink

user posted image

I know nothing about tattoos - nothing. Can a person get sunburned through the ink?

ThinMan - February 27, 2010 03:37 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (HomeHalf @ Feb 27 2010, 07:09 AM)
I know nothing about tattoos - nothing. Can a person get sunburned through the ink?

I know nothing about tattoos either, but a little googling reveals lots of advice to use sunscreen over tattoos to keep them from fading.

ThinMan - February 27, 2010 05:05 PM (GMT)
The rotation for next week...

Wednesday against Northeastern: Casey Kelly

Wednesday against BC: Boof Bonser

Thursday against Minnesota: Josh Beckett

Friday at Minnesota: Jon Lester, then Tim Wakefield

Saturday vs. Minnesota: John Lackey

Sunday at Baltimore: Clay Buchholz

tracey - February 27, 2010 05:11 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (ThinMan @ Feb 27 2010, 12:05 PM)
The rotation for next week...

Wednesday against Northeastern: Casey Kelly

Wednesday against BC: Boof Bonser

Thursday against Minnesota: Josh Beckett

Friday at Minnesota: Jon Lester, then Tim Wakefield

Saturday vs. Minnesota: John Lackey

Sunday at Baltimore: Clay Buchholz

From what i read kelly has looked really polished.

Offbase - March 2, 2010 06:19 PM (GMT)
Smells like team spirit

So if there aren't any brewing or bioling controversies, you go with the flow. This is similar, but much more fun than CHB's piece.

ThinMan - March 2, 2010 06:30 PM (GMT)
You want to know what constitutes a big issue around this team? Who’s hitting seventh and who’s hitting eighth. Someone call Bryant Gumbel now. We may be looking at an episode of “Real Sports.”

:crackedup:

ThinMan - March 2, 2010 06:34 PM (GMT)
I like this excerpt too.

You know why there was a whole new emphasis on pitching and defense this year? Because Cameron and Beltre were available and because Jason Bay got away. The truth is it was a matter of convenience and opportunity, not some ideology that suddenly took hold in the front office.

“It’s a product of taking an honest look at where we are,” Epstein said. “The players that were available did fit and they did address our run prevention concerns, and they were available on short-term deals. It’s not always going to be that way.”

mental4sox - March 2, 2010 06:52 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (ThinMan @ Feb 27 2010, 09:37 AM)
I know nothing about tattoos either, but a little googling reveals lots of advice to use sunscreen over tattoos to keep them from fading.

They fade most often with sunburns, which can fade the ink when the skin peels. Colors fade more than black, and the lighter the color the easier the fading. It is also dependent on the quality of the ink.

rominer - March 2, 2010 07:06 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Offbase @ Mar 2 2010, 10:19 AM)
Smells like team spirit

So if there aren't any brewing or bioling controversies, you go with the flow. This is similar, but much more fun than CHB's piece.

Almost perfect...except that he still had to take a shot at Pedro. :sad:

tracey - March 2, 2010 07:52 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (ThinMan @ Mar 2 2010, 01:34 PM)
I like this excerpt too.

You know why there was a whole new emphasis on pitching and defense this year? Because Cameron and Beltre were available and because Jason Bay got away. The truth is it was a matter of convenience and opportunity, not some ideology that suddenly took hold in the front office.

“It’s a product of taking an honest look at where we are,” Epstein said. “The players that were available did fit and they did address our run prevention concerns, and they were available on short-term deals. It’s not always going to be that way.”

Im just not sure how much better the run prevention realy can be,they were second best in this area.

HomeHalf - March 2, 2010 07:58 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (mental4sox @ Mar 2 2010, 02:52 PM)
They fade most often with sunburns, which can fade the ink when the skin peels. Colors fade more than black, and the lighter the color the easier the fading. It is also dependent on the quality of the ink.

So if you have one, you can get burned enough in that area for your skin to peel?

Offbase - March 2, 2010 08:07 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (rominer @ Mar 2 2010, 02:06 PM)
QUOTE (Offbase @ Mar 2 2010, 10:19 AM)
Smells like team spirit

So if there aren't any brewing or bioling controversies, you go with the flow. This is similar, but much more fun than CHB's piece.

Almost perfect...except that he still had to take a shot at Pedro. :sad:

I've come to terms with shots at Pedro.
If you're going to hold all players to the same standard, I have to admit that he earned some shots.

I reserve the right to be a hypocrite about this because in almost everybody else's case I don't excuse diva like behavior.

But Pedro has eternal immunity in my book. Watching him pitch was a treat like no other baseball treat.

So I don't care who takes what shots at him. It changes nothing.

rominer - March 2, 2010 08:40 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Offbase @ Mar 2 2010, 12:07 PM)

I've come to terms with shots at Pedro.
If you're going to hold all players to the same standard, I have to admit that he earned some shots.

Probably.

But the standard "he left Boston because he couldn't stand being second fiddle to Curt Schilling" isn't one of them.

Unless Gerry C. is aware of an offer from the Sox that was comparable in years and dollars to what Pedro got from the Mets. In which case, 6 seasons later (wow!), maybe it's finally time to divulge.


ThinMan - March 2, 2010 08:52 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (tracey @ Mar 2 2010, 11:52 AM)
Im just not sure how much better the run prevention realy can be,they were second best in this area.

The 2009 Red Sox gave up 736 runs

The 2007 team gave up 657 runs

I think Theo would like to get back to something resembling the 2007 numbers

mental4sox - March 2, 2010 09:29 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (HomeHalf @ Mar 2 2010, 01:58 PM)
So if you have one, you can get burned enough in that area for your skin to peel?

Oh ayuh. I always go with a high SPF for the "ink," and lower for the rest of the body. I've also been stupid/drunk enough to forget applying sunscreen, and susqently getting a sunburned tattoo. When it peeled, some of the color had faded. I had it retouched and got smarter with the sunscreen. :thumbup:

HomeHalf - March 2, 2010 09:31 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (ThinMan @ Mar 2 2010, 04:52 PM)
The 2009 Red Sox gave up 736 runs

The 2007 team gave up 657 runs

I think Theo would like to get back to something resembling the 2007 numbers

Pretty nice playoff record on that 2007 team too!

tracey - March 2, 2010 10:42 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (ThinMan @ Mar 2 2010, 03:52 PM)
The 2009 Red Sox gave up 736 runs

The 2007 team gave up 657 runs

I think Theo would like to get back to something resembling the 2007 numbers

I have a question here,i conceed that there is a motive behind it.What is the upgrade of lackey over smoltz and penny worth in terms of prevention,oh fuck it where im going is wouldnt the additions of lackey and just beltre have gotten this team to the 2007?Oh and if there is a way to actually quantifi this plug in Cameron vs Bay aolong with lackey.Than i get to my bottom line was there overkill in the sighnings and dollars spent and all that stuff.

ThinMan - March 2, 2010 10:53 PM (GMT)
Why Chris Woodward wasn't on the roster last October

Because he's a stand-up guy who chose doing the right thing for his family over his career.

Tomsoxfan - March 3, 2010 02:38 PM (GMT)
Pedro couldn't stand being 2nd Fiddle to Schilling, that was quite true. The sox FO flew down to meet Pedro and massage his ego to say how much they wanted him. Fact is the Sox offered an 'option' for a 4th year while the Mets guaranteed the 4th year. Thank goodness Minaya bailed us out with his stupidity. It was the guaranteed money, as it always is, that was the difference.

Interesting article today about Damon today...with yet another fabrication from him, though the rest of his quotes were seemingly sincere and affectionate.

“With the Red Sox, I didn’t want to leave. But when it came down to it, I told the Red Sox what was out there, and $12 million more was tough to turn down."

http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/reds...e_all_pleasant/

That is B U L L S H I T. He had Boras tell the Sox he had a 5-year offer he was considering (from that mystery team) and the Sox said they wouldn't do a 5th year. THEN he accepted a 4 year deal from the Yankees. I loved Damon as a Sox player but fudging the facts to make yourself look better I can't stand. Screw that, Johnny. I'm glad your stupid ego took you right into the trainwreck of an offseason. Yeh, you made 12 million more (likely only 8 or 4 million more as the Sox likely would have sweetneed their 4 year offer if given something hard to bid against) with your Boras negotiations with the Yankees. This year, you likely COST yourself that same 12 million by taking the stupid 'don't even talk to me if you want me to take a paycut' stance. Does anybody not think the Yankees would have ultimately done 2yr/10mill per if it meant bringing him back? I've heard some say the Yankees would have done an Abreu type of deal.

Tomsoxfan - March 3, 2010 02:49 PM (GMT)
Not only do we have Lackey in place of the Smoltz/Penny fiasco, we have a healthier Matsuzaka and more experienced, confident Buchholz to go along with Wakefield. Add in the steady SS play and increased defense of Beltre and Cameron, I think you'll see a very big decrease in runs allowed this year. Along with Papi's effectiveness, I think the other 'wild card' that could make or break us offensively is how well Beltre returns. Does he hit smart and drive to all fields or try to yank everything into the Wall? If his OPS is between .750 and .800... it will be very big for the team.

tracey - March 3, 2010 02:53 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Tomsoxfan @ Mar 3 2010, 09:38 AM)
Pedro couldn't stand being 2nd Fiddle to Schilling, that was quite true. The sox FO flew down to meet Pedro and massage his ego to say how much they wanted him. Fact is the Sox offered an 'option' for a 4th year while the Mets guaranteed the 4th year. Thank goodness Minaya bailed us out with his stupidity. It was the guaranteed money, as it always is, that was the difference.

Interesting article today about Damon today...with yet another fabrication from him, though the rest of his quotes were seemingly sincere and affectionate.

“With the Red Sox, I didn’t want to leave. But when it came down to it, I told the Red Sox what was out there, and $12 million more was tough to turn down."

http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/reds...e_all_pleasant/

That is B U L L S H I T. He had Boras tell the Sox he had a 5-year offer he was considering (from that mystery team) and the Sox said they wouldn't do a 5th year. THEN he accepted a 4 year deal from the Yankees. I loved Damon as a Sox player but fudging the facts to make yourself look better I can't stand. Screw that, Johnny. I'm glad your stupid ego took you right into the trainwreck of an offseason. Yeh, you made 12 million more (likely only 8 or 4 million more as the Sox likely would have sweetneed their 4 year offer if given something hard to bid against) with your Boras negotiations with the Yankees. This year, you likely COST yourself that same 12 million by taking the stupid 'don't even talk to me if you want me to take a paycut' stance. Does anybody not think the Yankees would have ultimately done 2yr/10mill per if it meant bringing him back? I've heard some say the Yankees would have done an Abreu type of deal.

Correct me if im wrong but the sox never actaully made an offer and that what rumours there were fo a couple of years and less money.I also vaguely remember that Damon called sox mgt the nite before he sighned loooking for an offer.None came.The sox would never have even gotten close to that offer.There i a reality that sox fans will have to accept.That as this team really does move to homegrown players,it will be difficult to keep really,really good players for and this is key longterm deals.I think the Beckett,Bay deals will be the model.Its why i dont understand the lackey sighning even though on balance I like itThe one Im waiting for is Youks next contract.One last Damon point he sighned a good deal back than,as we know there is no loyalty in sports,ask Bronsan Arroyo.
move on,next

Tomsoxfan - March 3, 2010 03:15 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (tracey @ Mar 3 2010, 09:53 AM)
QUOTE (Tomsoxfan @ Mar 3 2010, 09:38 AM)
Pedro couldn't stand being 2nd Fiddle to Schilling, that was quite true.  The sox FO flew down to meet Pedro and massage his ego to say how much they wanted him.  Fact is the Sox offered an 'option' for a 4th year while the Mets guaranteed the 4th year.  Thank goodness Minaya bailed us out with his stupidity.  It was the guaranteed money, as it always is, that was the difference.

Interesting article today about Damon today...with yet another fabrication from him, though the rest of his quotes were seemingly sincere and affectionate.

“With the Red Sox, I didn’t want to leave. But when it came down to it, I told the Red Sox what was out there, and $12 million more was tough to turn down."

http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/reds...e_all_pleasant/

That is B U L L S H I T.  He had Boras tell the Sox he had a 5-year offer he was considering (from that mystery team) and the Sox said they wouldn't do a 5th year.  THEN he accepted a 4 year deal from the Yankees.  I loved Damon as a Sox player but fudging the facts to make yourself look better I can't stand.  Screw that, Johnny.  I'm glad your stupid ego took you right into the trainwreck of an offseason.  Yeh, you made 12 million more (likely only 8 or 4 million more as the Sox likely would have sweetneed their 4 year offer if given something hard to bid against) with your Boras negotiations with the Yankees.  This year, you likely COST yourself that same 12 million by taking the stupid 'don't even talk to me if you want me to take a paycut' stance.  Does anybody not think the Yankees would have ultimately done 2yr/10mill per if it meant bringing him back?  I've heard some say the Yankees would have done an Abreu type of deal.

Correct me if im wrong but the sox never actaully made an offer and that what rumours there were fo a couple of years and less money.I also vaguely remember that Damon called sox mgt the nite before he sighned loooking for an offer.None came.The sox would never have even gotten close to that offer.There i a reality that sox fans will have to accept.That as this team really does move to homegrown players,it will be difficult to keep really,really good players for and this is key longterm deals.I think the Beckett,Bay deals will be the model.Its why i dont understand the lackey sighning even though on balance I like itThe one Im waiting for is Youks next contract.One last Damon point he sighned a good deal back than,as we know there is no loyalty in sports,ask Bronsan Arroyo.
move on,next

The Sox offered Pedro 3yrs/40-42 million and a 4th year option.

The Sox offered Johnny Damon 4 years and 40 million dollars. They were never told that 4/44 or 4/48 might get it done. They were told he had a 5year deal he was considering and they said they were not going to do a 5 year deal. BORAS called the Sox and told them he was close to accepting it...he didn't tell them the truth of what he was close to accepting.

I'm not accusing Damon of disloyalty, Tracey so please don't imply I am. He had a good offer and accepted it. That's fine. But I'm not going to buy his fabrication or revisionist history. He did NOT tell the Sox what was out there. He had Boras lie about it. There's some good information about it in Seth Mnookin's book, Feeding the Monster. No, I do not believe that the Sox would have matched 4/52 from the Yankees. I am quite confident they would have gone 4/44. 4/48 is likely a stretch and 4/52...a 'no way'. I am quite confident in saying Damon did not gain a full 12 million by playing for the Yankees. He could have gotten more from the Sox if he'd played his cards differently...I wonder if he had a 4/48 deal from the Sox if he'd have chosen that over the Yankees 4/52. I'm guessing no. Just as he could have gotten more this year if he had not sought to reclaim his 'Idiot' title.

tracey - March 3, 2010 03:44 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Tomsoxfan @ Mar 3 2010, 10:15 AM)
QUOTE (tracey @ Mar 3 2010, 09:53 AM)
QUOTE (Tomsoxfan @ Mar 3 2010, 09:38 AM)
Pedro couldn't stand being 2nd Fiddle to Schilling, that was quite true.  The sox FO flew down to meet Pedro and massage his ego to say how much they wanted him.  Fact is the Sox offered an 'option' for a 4th year while the Mets guaranteed the 4th year.  Thank goodness Minaya bailed us out with his stupidity.  It was the guaranteed money, as it always is, that was the difference.

Interesting article today about Damon today...with yet another fabrication from him, though the rest of his quotes were seemingly sincere and affectionate.

“With the Red Sox, I didn’t want to leave. But when it came down to it, I told the Red Sox what was out there, and $12 million more was tough to turn down."

http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/reds...e_all_pleasant/

That is B U L L S H I T.  He had Boras tell the Sox he had a 5-year offer he was considering (from that mystery team) and the Sox said they wouldn't do a 5th year.  THEN he accepted a 4 year deal from the Yankees.  I loved Damon as a Sox player but fudging the facts to make yourself look better I can't stand.  Screw that, Johnny.  I'm glad your stupid ego took you right into the trainwreck of an offseason.  Yeh, you made 12 million more (likely only 8 or 4 million more as the Sox likely would have sweetneed their 4 year offer if given something hard to bid against) with your Boras negotiations with the Yankees.  This year, you likely COST yourself that same 12 million by taking the stupid 'don't even talk to me if you want me to take a paycut' stance.  Does anybody not think the Yankees would have ultimately done 2yr/10mill per if it meant bringing him back?  I've heard some say the Yankees would have done an Abreu type of deal.

Correct me if im wrong but the sox never actaully made an offer and that what rumours there were fo a couple of years and less money.I also vaguely remember that Damon called sox mgt the nite before he sighned loooking for an offer.None came.The sox would never have even gotten close to that offer.There i a reality that sox fans will have to accept.That as this team really does move to homegrown players,it will be difficult to keep really,really good players for and this is key longterm deals.I think the Beckett,Bay deals will be the model.Its why i dont understand the lackey sighning even though on balance I like itThe one Im waiting for is Youks next contract.One last Damon point he sighned a good deal back than,as we know there is no loyalty in sports,ask Bronsan Arroyo.
move on,next

The Sox offered Pedro 3yrs/40-42 million and a 4th year option.

The Sox offered Johnny Damon 4 years and 40 million dollars. They were never told that 4/44 or 4/48 might get it done. They were told he had a 5year deal he was considering and they said they were not going to do a 5 year deal. BORAS called the Sox and told them he was close to accepting it...he didn't tell them the truth of what he was close to accepting.

I'm not accusing Damon of disloyalty, Tracey so please don't imply I am. He had a good offer and accepted it. That's fine. But I'm not going to buy his fabrication or revisionist history. He did NOT tell the Sox what was out there. He had Boras lie about it. There's some good information about it in Seth Mnookin's book, Feeding the Monster. No, I do not believe that the Sox would have matched 4/52 from the Yankees. I am quite confident they would have gone 4/44. 4/48 is likely a stretch and 4/52...a 'no way'. I am quite confident in saying Damon did not gain a full 12 million by playing for the Yankees. He could have gotten more from the Sox if he'd played his cards differently...I wonder if he had a 4/48 deal from the Sox if he'd have chosen that over the Yankees 4/52. I'm guessing no. Just as he could have gotten more this year if he had not sought to reclaim his 'Idiot' title.

Thanx Tom i was unaware of an actuall offer for jd.just some talks.I do wonder about the sox willingness to go all in on players the wrong side of 30,vmart this year,buthe is acatcher so who knows,but youks next contract as i said should be interesting.

rominer - March 3, 2010 09:28 PM (GMT)
1 and 0 against the college kids.

tracey - March 3, 2010 10:44 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (rominer @ Mar 3 2010, 04:28 PM)
1 and 0 against the college kids.

Theo wasright we have offense.Bring on the mfy. :VBG:

ThinMan - March 4, 2010 02:05 PM (GMT)

ThinMan - March 4, 2010 02:50 PM (GMT)
Some words about Casey Kelly that weren't written by CHB.

His first pro game came for Single-A Greenville of the South Atlantic League last April 12 against Greensboro. Kelly produced five shutout innings that day, and caught the attention of Greenville pitching coach Bob Kipper with how natural everything seemed on the mound.

“He just went out there and it was easy,” said Kipper. “That’s what it looked like — his ability to drive the baseball, to leverage the baseball to the bottom half of the strike zone, move the ball in and out, showcasing a swing-and-miss changeup to boot [and throw] a couple of good breaking balls.”

Yet Kipper was even more impressed when Kelly faced his lone moment of adversity. In the fourth inning, he permitted a pair of baserunners with one out. Given that it was his first pro outing, it would have been perfectly normal for Kelly to panic. Instead, he maintained his composure, and retired the next two batters.

“That’s challenge No. 1 as a professional pitcher who now possesses, what, three innings under his belt?” said Kipper. “His ability to keep things under control, to keep things slow or calm, more than anything else was pretty remarkable.”

Offbase - March 4, 2010 03:38 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (ThinMan @ Mar 4 2010, 09:50 AM)
Some words about Casey Kelly that weren't written by CHB.

His first pro game came for Single-A Greenville of the South Atlantic League last April 12 against Greensboro. Kelly produced five shutout innings that day, and caught the attention of Greenville pitching coach Bob Kipper with how natural everything seemed on the mound.

“He just went out there and it was easy,” said Kipper. “That’s what it looked like — his ability to drive the baseball, to leverage the baseball to the bottom half of the strike zone, move the ball in and out, showcasing a swing-and-miss changeup to boot [and throw] a couple of good breaking balls.”

Yet Kipper was even more impressed when Kelly faced his lone moment of adversity. In the fourth inning, he permitted a pair of baserunners with one out. Given that it was his first pro outing, it would have been perfectly normal for Kelly to panic. Instead, he maintained his composure, and retired the next two batters.

“That’s challenge No. 1 as a professional pitcher who now possesses, what, three innings under his belt?” said Kipper. “His ability to keep things under control, to keep things slow or calm, more than anything else was pretty remarkable.”

I'm getting a little worried.
The hype is reminding me waaaaay too much of the once upon a time Roger Clemens hype; and even though all reports indicate Casey's personality isn't remotely like Roger's, too much adulation too early in life isn't necessarily a good thing.

That said, I do hope he starts a game for the Sea Dogs when they come to Manchester this year.

Free Agent Blogger - March 4, 2010 06:50 PM (GMT)
Clemens and Kelly are totally different type pitchers. Clemens was a dominance pitcher and Kelly a command and control pitcher. Kelly's fastball will be at least 5mph slower than Clemens but he will have better secondary pitches.

Offbase - March 4, 2010 09:14 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Free Agent Blogger @ Mar 4 2010, 01:50 PM)
Clemens and Kelly are totally different type pitchers. Clemens was a dominance pitcher and Kelly a command and control pitcher. Kelly's fastball will be at least 5mph slower than Clemens but he will have better secondary pitches.

My concern has nothing to do with pitching, FAB, it's the effect of too much adulation on a very young man. In Clemens case, I think it was the first thing that fattened his head.

All indications are, as I said, that Kelly is made of different stuff and hopefully he can handle it.




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