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Offbase - June 9, 2009 02:59 AM (GMT)
I haven't seen anything on who our FO is targeting, but the Nats have the number one pick and the number one pick (presumed) is, big surprise, a Borass client.

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If I were running the Nats, I'd find the best pick not owned by Boras.

This is not going to end well.

soxfaninnyc - June 9, 2009 03:47 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Offbase @ Jun 8 2009, 09:59 PM)
I haven't seen anything on who our FO is targeting, but the Nats have the number one pick and the number one pick (presumed) is, big surprise, a Borass client.

link

If I were running the Nats, I'd find the best pick not owned by Boras.

This is not going to end well.

I think baseball needs a pre-defined salary structure for the draft, regardless of the talent. Otherwise they should allow teams to trade draft rights. Draft position is the only measure in place to foster parity. But the notion that a cellar-dweller should pay more money to its first draft pick, who is unlikely to ever appear in an all-star game, than it does to its highest paid player, is a joke.

Look at the #1 picks since 1965

3 first ballot hall of famers (Griffey, A-Rod and Chipper Jones)
7-8 All Star players (Jeff Burroughs, Harold Baines, Strawberry, Josh Hamilton, Adrien Gonzalez, Joe Mauer...)
Lots of major league "regulars"
7-8 disappointments
5 total busts (Matt Bush, Brien Taylor, Shawn Abner, Steve Chilcott, Al Chambers)

There is no way the top picks are worth more than $2-3M per year until they hit the bigs.

Sox Sweep Again - June 9, 2009 05:39 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (soxfaninnyc @ Jun 8 2009, 09:47 PM)
QUOTE (Offbase @ Jun 8 2009, 09:59 PM)
I haven't seen anything on who our FO is targeting, but the Nats have the number one pick and the number one pick (presumed) is, big surprise, a Borass client.

link

If I were running the Nats, I'd find the best pick not owned by Boras.

This is not going to end well.

I think baseball needs a pre-defined salary structure for the draft, regardless of the talent. Otherwise they should allow teams to trade draft rights. Draft position is the only measure in place to foster parity. But the notion that a cellar-dweller should pay more money to its first draft pick, who is unlikely to ever appear in an all-star game, than it does to its highest paid player, is a joke.

Look at the #1 picks since 1965

3 first ballot hall of famers (Griffey, A-Rod and Chipper Jones)
7-8 All Star players (Jeff Burroughs, Harold Baines, Strawberry, Josh Hamilton, Adrien Gonzalez, Joe Mauer...)
Lots of major league "regulars"
7-8 disappointments
5 total busts (Matt Bush, Brien Taylor, Shawn Abner, Steve Chilcott, Al Chambers)

There is no way the top picks are worth more than $2-3M per year until they hit the bigs.

And I agree with your analysis in toto.

I don't follow the minors as well as many great posters here, but there's no question that top MLB draft picks have a far-lower average potential value than either the NBA or the NFL and therefore should be capped/stratified by salary max.

I don't want an MLB salary cap (because I'm a Red Sox fan) but I don't want small-market teams being squeezed out by large smart markets despite being smart yet poor in the amateur draft.

ThinMan - June 9, 2009 10:35 PM (GMT)
BC's Tony Sanchez went to the Pirates.

Sox Sweep Again - June 9, 2009 10:47 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (ThinMan @ Jun 9 2009, 04:35 PM)
BC's Tony Sanchez went to the Pirates.

Red Sox pick 28th of course, and they're on pick #8 (Reds) right now.

ThinMan - June 9, 2009 11:10 PM (GMT)
Rockies are apparently in a mood to spend money, choosing Matzek.

Free Agent Blogger - June 9, 2009 11:13 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (soxfaninnyc @ Jun 8 2009, 10:47 PM)
QUOTE (Offbase @ Jun 8 2009, 09:59 PM)
I haven't seen anything on who our FO is targeting, but the Nats have the number one pick and the number one pick (presumed) is, big surprise, a Borass client.

link

If I were running the Nats, I'd find the best pick not owned by Boras.

This is not going to end well.

I think baseball needs a pre-defined salary structure for the draft, regardless of the talent. Otherwise they should allow teams to trade draft rights. Draft position is the only measure in place to foster parity. But the notion that a cellar-dweller should pay more money to its first draft pick, who is unlikely to ever appear in an all-star game, than it does to its highest paid player, is a joke.

Look at the #1 picks since 1965

3 first ballot hall of famers (Griffey, A-Rod and Chipper Jones)
7-8 All Star players (Jeff Burroughs, Harold Baines, Strawberry, Josh Hamilton, Adrien Gonzalez, Joe Mauer...)
Lots of major league "regulars"
7-8 disappointments
5 total busts (Matt Bush, Brien Taylor, Shawn Abner, Steve Chilcott, Al Chambers)

There is no way the top picks are worth more than $2-3M per year until they hit the bigs.

It's generally not $2-3m per year, it's usually a signing bonus. You'll all be happy to know that the MFY are cutting back on their draft budget this year but that the Sox aren't. It's not always the big market teams that spend on draft day. Last year, for example, the Royals broke a record for draft signings. It's more a case of team philosophy.

Free Agent Blogger - June 9, 2009 11:14 PM (GMT)
So far Crow & Turner are two guys I had hopes might drop to the Sox.

Free Agent Blogger - June 9, 2009 11:18 PM (GMT)
Sheppers and Gibson are two remaining players who have some likelyhood to drop to the Sox. Last few picks were signability guys which is a surprise.

Free Agent Blogger - June 9, 2009 11:19 PM (GMT)
Purke another $$ (signability) guy

Free Agent Blogger - June 9, 2009 11:26 PM (GMT)
Looking like a lot of signability guys are going. If Sheppers or Gibson aren't there, Stassi (high school catcher) becomes the Sox most likely pick.

Free Agent Blogger - June 9, 2009 11:43 PM (GMT)
Shelby Miller dropped but not far enuf :thumbdown: :thumbdown:

Free Agent Blogger - June 9, 2009 11:45 PM (GMT)
Mid draft Ortiz gets hold of a fat one :thumbup: :thumbup:

Free Agent Blogger - June 9, 2009 11:50 PM (GMT)
Angels 24th & 25th pick are troublesome for the signability guys remaining

Free Agent Blogger - June 9, 2009 11:56 PM (GMT)
:wtf: Twins picked Gibson

Looking more and more like Sox likely pick will be Stassi

Free Agent Blogger - June 10, 2009 12:06 AM (GMT)
:rofl: Selig "Los Angeleez"

Free Agent Blogger - June 10, 2009 12:09 AM (GMT)
None of Angels picks were a player named Sheppers

Free Agent Blogger - June 10, 2009 12:15 AM (GMT)
Only the Mariners left before the Sox and Sheppers and Stassi are still on the board

Free Agent Blogger - June 10, 2009 12:19 AM (GMT)
Sox on the clock. Unless there's a surprise it'll be Sheppers or Stassi

Free Agent Blogger - June 10, 2009 12:25 AM (GMT)
Huge surprise Puerto Rican CF Reymond Fuentes. Power and speed. Carlos Beltran's cousin. DOB 2/12/91

ThinMan - June 10, 2009 12:26 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Free Agent Blogger @ Jun 9 2009, 08:25 PM)
Huge surprise Puerto Rican CF Reymond Fuentes. Power and speed. Carlos Beltran's cousin. DOB 2/12/91

WOW!

:jawdrop:

Sox Sweep Again - June 10, 2009 12:33 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (ThinMan @ Jun 9 2009, 06:26 PM)
WOW!

:jawdrop:

Free Agent Blogger - June 10, 2009 12:35 AM (GMT)
Fuentes has been a very fast riser in the draft. Sox are famous for finding players that are better than others think. I'll trust the scouts here.

Here's one take:

Kevin Goldstein (5:26:06 PM PT): There's Fuentes to Boston. If you got all the way through my mock this morning, Fuentes was the guy with the most helium in the draft due to some monster private workouts. I like this pick, but I can be a sucker for tools.

Free Agent Blogger - June 10, 2009 12:48 AM (GMT)
Keith Law: The Red Sox coveted Fuentes since GM Theo Epstein and scouting director Jason McLeod flew to see him two weeks ago in Puerto Rico. Fuentes is a high-upside but very slight outfielder and continues a recent trend for Boston, taking higher-upside prep players even if they might need some development time.

MLB's Jonathan Mayo
Reymond Fuentes, Callego HS, Puerto Rico: Fuentes has been sneaking up on Draft boards late thanks to some extremely impressive workouts. He's got plus speed. While he's got some pop, he seems to understand that his game is to go gap-to-gap, get on base and let his legs do the work. He's got a below-average arm, but his speed gives him more than enough range to stay in center field. More than one person has compared him to Johnny Damon as a future leadoff type.

Free Agent Blogger - June 10, 2009 12:52 AM (GMT)
Baseball America:

A relative of Mets center fielder Carlos Beltran, Fuentes is an electric, game-changing player. The 6-foot, 160-pound center fielder is slender, but has wiry strength and can put a change in a ball during batting practice. Like a ticking clock, he hits line drives from foul pole to foul pole with his lefthanded swing. He's also an elite runner, clocking in at just under 6.3 seconds in the 60-yard dash at Puerto Rico's annual Excellence Tournament in early May. In game situations, Fuentes stays within himself, goes with a contact-oriented approach and lets his plus speed play to his advantage. These tools make Fuentes an ideal leadoff hitter. Defensively, Fuentes' range will allow him to stay in center field as a professional. Right down to his below-average arm, he's a similar player to the Yankees' Johnny Damon.



Note: Kevin Goldstein above is Baseball Prospectus

Free Agent Blogger - June 10, 2009 01:12 AM (GMT)
ESPN:

Summary: Fuentes is the nephew of Carlos Beltran and, like his uncle, is a wiry-strong center fielder with a good chance to hit and show some power. Fuentes is a slight 160 pounds and has to make up for the lack of muscle with good bat speed and strong wrists; he whips the bat through the zone and has good plate coverage, but at this point is a pretty free swinger in the Alfonso Soriano/Alexei Ramirez mold. The ball comes off well and he should have more power as he starts to fill out physically. He's one of the fastest runners in the top 100 and covers plenty of ground in center. He short-arms his throws, so the result is below-average, although it looks like he could throw harder if he changes his motion. He's a high-risk, high-reward guy in a draft that doesn't have a lot of those players, and the bloodlines should help boost his stock as well.


Player Grades
PRESENT FUTURE
Hitting 35 55
Power 35 55
Plate Discipline 30 45
Running Speed 70 70
Fielding Range 55 60
Arm Strength 45 45
Feel for Game 35 45

Free Agent Blogger - June 10, 2009 01:15 AM (GMT)
Thru the first 43, here are the remaining signability guys:

Tanner Scheppers, RHP, St. Paul Saints
Everett Williams, OF, McCallum HS (TX)
Max Stassi, C, Yuba City HS (CA)
Billy Bullock, RHP, Florida (best pure C reliever in the draft)
Andy Oliver, LHP, Oklahoma State
Kyle Heckathorn, RHP, Kennesaw State
Sam Dyson, RHP, South Carolina
Garrett Gould, RHP, Maize HS (KS)
Brody Colvin, RHP, St. Thomas More HS (LA)
Zack Von Rosenberg, RHP, Zachary HS (LA)
Madison Younginer, RHP, Mauldin HS (SC)
Keyvius Sampson, RHP, Forest HS (FL)
Rich Poythress, 1B, Georgia
Mychal Givens, SS/RHP, Plant HS (FL) (profiles more as SS)
Jeff Malm, 1B, Bishop Gorman HS (NV)
David Renfroe, SS/P, South Panola HS (MS)
Wil Myers, C, Wesleyan Christian Academy (NC)
Tommy Joseph, C, Horizon HS (AZ)

Free Agent Blogger - June 10, 2009 01:18 AM (GMT)
:wtf: Sheppers just picked

Free Agent Blogger - June 10, 2009 01:20 AM (GMT)
Pelfiore is the Texas closer that just went 13 innings against BC. Wonder if his right arm is longer than his left now

Free Agent Blogger - June 10, 2009 01:22 AM (GMT)
Sox might think Stassi will hang in because of the 1.5 to 2m price tag

Free Agent Blogger - June 10, 2009 01:32 AM (GMT)
Thru 50: BA's best available:

19. Everett Williams, of, McCallum HS, Austin

21. Andrew Oliver, lhp, Oklahoma State

25. Garrett Gould, rhp, Maize (Kansas) HS

28. Kyle Heckathorn, rhp, Kennesaw State

30. Max Stassi, c, Yuba City (Calif.) HS

31. Wil Myers, c, Wesleyan Christian Academy, High Point, N.C.

33. Rich Poythress, 1b, Georgia

37. James Paxton, lhp, Kentucky

38. Sam Dyson, rhp, South Carolina

41. Zack Von Rosenberg, rhp, Zachary (La.) HS

43. Brody Colvin, rhp, More HS, Lafayette, La.

45. Madison Younginer, rhp, Mauldin (S.C.) HS

47. Keyvius Sampson, rhp, Forest HS, Ocala, Fla.

49. Tommy Joseph, c, Horizon HS, Scottsdale, Ariz.

50. Victor Black, rhp, Dallas Baptist

Free Agent Blogger - June 10, 2009 01:41 AM (GMT)
Particularly interesting people still available Stassi & Renfroe.

Renfroe is similar to Kelly in that he's a SS/P but wants to be a SS in spite of being a much better pitcher. Kelly is about equal on both.

Free Agent Blogger - June 10, 2009 02:03 AM (GMT)
Another surprise pick:

William Wilson, Texas A&M (Tommy John)

4 pitch reliever with a mid 90's FB, might be converted to starter.

Free Agent Blogger - June 10, 2009 02:13 AM (GMT)
Lot's of differences of opinion on Wilson. I'll write about it later in the minor's section.

Free Agent Blogger - June 10, 2009 02:18 AM (GMT)
MLB scouting report (Feb 28th game):

Fastball: Wilson threw his fastball in the 91-95 mph range throughout his start. It sat at 94 comfortably.
Fastball movement: A heavy ball with good riding life.
Slider: A plus offering, 82-85 mph, that puts hitters away. He threw it for strikes, getting swings and misses, and can bury it when needed.
Curve: He didn't use it much, but it was a solid-average, 80-81 mph slurvy-type pitch. He drops his arm slot, purposefully, for that look.
Changeup: He didn't show it much. His other pitches were working so well that he didn't need it.
Control: He threw strikes and had good command of all his pitches.
Poise: He goes right after hitters and is not afraid to pitch inside. A tough competitor, he leaves it all on the mound.
Physical Description: Wilson is six feet tall with a broad, thick and mature build.
Medical Update: He's coming off of Tommy John surgery after red-shirting the 2008 season.
Strengths: Plus pitches across the board and an idea of how to use them. He shows good command of all his offerings and is a real bulldog on the mound.
Weaknesses: His three-quarter slot, his size and his durability. There's some effort to his delivery, which might concern some, but he does seem to be able to maintain his stuff throughout a start.
Summary: Wilson red-shirted in 2008, his first season at A&M after coming over from Winthrop, following Tommy John surgery. If early starts were any indication, he seemed to be all the way back with an array of above-average pitches. He goes right after hitters and while he's a little maximum-effort with his delivery, he maintains it deep into starts. He's the kind of college starter who could sneak up on people come Draft time.


On the other hand, here's Baseball America's report:
Wilson projected as a possible first-round pick before he blew out his elbow in the Cape Cod League in the summer of 2007, shortly before he transferred from Winthrop to Texas A&M. He redshirted with the Aggies last spring, though he did reach 94 mph in bullpen workouts that attracted a number of scouts. The Cubs took a flier on him in the 10th round last June and followed him when he returned to the Cape in the summer. Chicago reportedly offered him $600,000 to sign but he was looking for $1.5 million. Wilson looked to be in line for that kind of bonus when he opened this season with a 91-95 mph fastball and a true slider, but his stuff slacked off later in the spring and didn't pick up when Texas A&M moved him to the bullpen. By May, his fastball had flattened out and was down to 88-91 mph and his breaking ball had become slurvy. Wilson is mainly a two-pitch pitcher, so he projects as a reliever in pro ball. His control has been sharp (105-18 K-BB ratio in 75 innings) for a pitcher in his first season back after elbow reconstruction. He figures to be a second-round pick at this point, though he's believed to be looking for a seven-figure bonus as a 22-year-old junior.

Free Agent Blogger - June 10, 2009 02:45 AM (GMT)
Last pick of the day for the Sox:
David Refroe SS (He's a lot better pitching prospect than SS prospect so, my guess, the Sox will only sign him if he elects to pitch.

Free Agent Blogger - June 10, 2009 02:47 AM (GMT)
For the Monsterettes:

Renfroe is an athletic infielder who has reminded some of David Wright, both in how he looks and how he plays.

Free Agent Blogger - June 10, 2009 10:39 AM (GMT)
From our first pick's cousin, Carlos Beltran:



"I'm so happy for him," Beltran said. "They're poor people. He's going to put his family in a better position."


So, Carlos has a $119m contract and has poor uncles and aunts ???? What kind of a piece of crap is he ?

Free Agent Blogger - June 10, 2009 11:13 AM (GMT)
Here's a list of the top remaining players according to BA and PG (PG Crosschecker- probably the experts here).

Best Remaining per PG and BA:

PG BA Player Position
31 30 Max Stassi c
39 59 Jeff Malm 1b
42 38 Sam Dyson rhp
46 43 Brody Colvin rhp
47 82 Brooks Raley lhp/of
49 47 Keyvius Sampson rhp
50 45 Madison Younginer rhp
51 - Daniel Fields ss
53 - James Jones lhp
57 65 Brian Goodwin of
59 55 Chris Dwyer lhp
60 - Colton Cain lhp/1b
66 - Mike Ohlman c
67 64 Angelo Songco of
73 - Andrew Susac c
74 90 Ryan Buch rhp
83 63 Kent Matthes of
92 60 A.J. Morris rhp
97 41 Zack V. Rosenberg rhp
100 62 Jason Stoffel rhp
- 68 Dane Williams rhp
- 74 Jacob Stewart of
- 80 Ryan Jackson ss
- 81 Austin Maddox c
- 87 Andrew Doyle rhp
- 92 Kendal Volz rhp
- 94 Matt den Dekker of
- 96 Luke Bailey c


list clipped from a post by LarsInCharge at SoxProspects

Free Agent Blogger - June 10, 2009 11:16 AM (GMT)
The second segment is where Theo usually shines the most. My guess is that most teams have shot their wad in terms of higher priced draftees. Sox should be able to net several of the list above as well as some who are basically Sox secrets.




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