3000pts Army

So this is the army I'm aiming towards, almost have enough models for it. C&C welcome.

Beastlord-246pts
Heavy Armor
Steel Claws
Talisman of Preservation
Ironcurse Icon
Dragon helm

Great Bray-Shaman-250pts
L.4
Channeling Staff

Wargor-206pts
Bsb
The Beast Banner
Heavy armor
Gnarled hide
shield

Bray Shaman-135pts
L.2
Dispel Scroll

40 gors-345pts
AHW
FC

39 gors-337pts
AHW
FC

40 ungors-215pts
AHW
FC

34 bestigors-451pts
SB,M
manbane standard

6 minotaurs-378pts
GWs

razagor-55pts

razagor-55pts

5 harpies-55pts

ghorgon-275pts

So my basic plan is to have the gors and bestigors form the core of the army, with the beastlord going with the bestigors. Minotaurs cover 1 flank, ghorgon the other along with the razagors, harpies for redirection/warmachine hunting and ungors will be a hold up unit, probaly go on the flank with the ghorgon.

This post has been edited by Alaric Ironaxe on Jul 5 2012, 02:21 AM

Ghorghon is trash, as well as gors with no +1S BSB.

Not enoug Bestigors (add 10), not enough minotaurs, no minotaur hero...

I wouldnt necessarily say ghorgon is trash, He draws a whole lot of attention away from where you want your enemy to be looking, He's just a really expensive distraction lol.

But yes, All gor hordes need the BSB with the Strength Banner, It also allows them to reroll their primal furies or any other leadership test, so they definately need it.

I would hardly say gors without the strength banner are trash...I was considering the strength banner, but I'm a bit worried with my bsb only have a +5AS. Is that usually a problem?

I like the Ghorgon model so I'm going to keep him in my army, and as vogard said he's a good distraction.

I'd like to add more Bestigors in, issue with 29 is they can't take a lot of fire, I'm not sure what to take out though to fit them in. Minotaur hero is not neccessary, and as I'm going to try to find a way to fit 10 more bestigors in I certainly don't have the points to fit more minotaurs in.

Im fighting that same issue right now in my 2500 point list, Its very tempting to kill off the minotaurs and just thorugh in another herd of Bestigor, Gor alone are a good crowd control, but minotaurs do it like none other, and seeing how skaven are a big hit at this tourny im going, i think ill stick to the mino's. it all depends on what your target it is.

As for you BSB give him HA/AHW/Shield, gives him a 4+ armor, plus no one said he had to be in the front rank, so sometimes if I find him fighting something scary and they challenge, Ill decline and he will scoot to the back, Still gives the unit +1 str

I like minos, so I'd rather not take them out of my list...I could take out a razagor and the ungor raiders to get the extra 10 bestigors, but I would rather have 2 razagors. I might take 34 bestigors, take out the ungor raiders so I can fit them in, so at least they can take a few casualties before they start losing attacks.

Give him gnarled hide, as well as heavy armor and shield. Your beastlord will be survivable enough with armor of destiny and shield. Then your BSB has 2+ armor and 6+ ward - very survivable as long as he's not accepting challenges. But that's what champions are for.

I would take more bestis and drop the minos - they're not so good without character support. I think its fine to take a Ghorgon at 3000pts - it will get shot to pieces but it least it will look cool for the 1 round it spends on the table!

That sounds like a good idea. With a +2AS the bsb should have be alright. But can he have gnarled hide and the strength banner?

I like the minos so I'd rather not drop them...I've used them before without a character and they work fairly well. If I drop that ungor raiders I can take 5 more bestigors, so I think that's what I will do, and maybe take a few gors off one of the gors units so I can boost the bestigors up to 39.

Yep gnarled hide is a gift of chaos, not a magic item, so it doesn't violate the BSB rule. You can also give him many limbed fiend and other gifts, but the most efficient build is the '206'. Wargor+BSB+Beastbanner+HA+GH+Sh = 206 points.

Well now that I know you can do that I'll deffinetly go for that, +2 AS and the strength banner sounds pretty good.

Revised my list, took out the ungor raiders and put 5 more bestigors in, and went for the "206" wargor build. Seems pretty good now, wish I could fit those raiders in though.

This post has been edited by Alaric Ironaxe on Jul 5 2012, 02:20 AM

In my opinim 206 is 15p too expensive. He really doesnt need this as if u are able to do proper wheels during charges and u can maximalize well, he wont be in combat anyway. I dropped gnarled hide form him some time ago and he works almost same than 206 (with one exeption - I learned how to wheel to get him out of combat ).

Wheeling is all well and fine, but any opponent worth his salt is going to try to assasinate the wargor asap using chaff anf such. A lot of people run single bloodcrushers, fiends of slaanesh, cowboy scar-veterans, harpies, sabretusks, gorgers, great eagles etc etc as character assasins. Without his usual 206 build, the wargor is very vunerable to these dangers, so i prefer to add the 15 pts gnarled hide to keep him standing longer.

As for the Ghorgon, i´v learned to love him. People are under the impression that cannons are something you face every time, but atleast in my meta, i face one perhaps every four games. Yes, he dropps like a rock when there is one around, but when there isn´t one (or any skinks), hes actually quite usefull. I´v had him crunch a horde of stormvermin solo, as well as saving a block of 20 gors from some chaos warriors by killing of 12 of them in one round.

I think I need to keep the 206 build, without it he's pretty vunerable, and for 15pts it's pretty good.

Ya I like the ghorgon, it's only against cannon armies he goes really quickly..and I think you're right, a lot of people are under the impression that they will face cannons a lot more then they actually do (including myself..). Only 3 armies have cannons..

This post has been edited by Alaric Ironaxe on Jul 5 2012, 04:28 PM

Thats why u use harpies, raiders, razorgors, chariots and laser spear

Given how important the BSB is, providing rerolls and buffing your gors into killing machines - 15pts for gnarled hide is absolutely worth it. Sure, you can usually keep him out of combat with killy stuff if you try, but sometimes it just can't be avoided - for example your opponent gets off a very unlikely charge. Plus after just one round of combat they can combat reform to get your BSB into base contact - then you'll be missing that gift. There's a reason that the 206 is the most popular beastman character, not the 191 .