Old washes v New washes, Not exactly close...

Ahoy.

Frantically painting up some rank and file for the upcoming tournament and i came across this glaring mistake.

I’ve been using a lot of Thakkra green as a wash, and it’s no longer produced.
the new replacement is “Biel Tan shade”, according to the chart.

Below is a picture of the results.
on the Left is the old thakkra green. The right is the BTG. Huge difference. I have to go back and fix a LOT of models.

http://thenerdalsorises.files.wordpress.co.../06/thakkra.jpg

the models are painted identically. except the washes.
The phone doesn't show it perfectly, but the BTG is SUPER dark.

Grrr. This is getting annoying. First the whole "aggrax does not equal devlan" thing, now this. Also another annoyance with the new paints: in my colorscheme I use a lot of calthan brown and a lot of bestial brown. Two VERY different colors. According to the chart, they now BOTH convert to rhinox hide. WTF??

This post has been edited by Billy Ocean on Jun 26 2012, 07:26 PM

Well, you can see what this idea comes from. Change every single color slightly, not much, but just enough to compleatly piss of anyone who tries to use it in an army that used the old colors, making everyone have to figure out a whole new color scheme, which means buying loads of paints, and anyone who wants to have an army with a matching scheme and has run out of old paint needs to repaint the entire army, thus buying even more paints.

Makes perfect sense. What with GW's policy of caring only for money and nothing else. So long as their statistics looks a-okay, they hardly care for their reputation.

To be fair though, I like the new paints as opposed to the old ones. The washes have more depth and are darker, meaning they enhance coloring and give shading, something a few of the old colored washes failed to do. Thraka green and Baal red come to mind. However, the transition phase is a bit a of a bitch.

So yeah, perhaps GW's intention was to make a better range of paints, and the transition was merely a necessery evil. Hard to know what their angle was.

Perhaps thinning the wash a little would help.

Although I agree it is annoying I must say that the colour on the right looks better.

I never used the Thraka much and Baal wasnt too good, but the Blue and the Mud I found excellent uses for. Funny enough with a lot of red cloth in my army I ended up using the blue for shading it.

I agree with Stampede, I do love the new range but half finished armies are a bitch. Another colour I noticed was blood red and it's new counterpart which I forget it's name. It's definitely got more of a pale colouring to it.
Still, it's a change for the better I think (despite the stench of burnt pockets)

With a few highlights I don't think the difference will be as noticable.
Just a heads up, the new flesh wash is more orange than the old one.

It is a little known fact that should a pestigor come to battle wearing the wrong tone of green, the others in the herd will ceremoniously dismember the offending pestigor, before they feed on it's corpse to preserve within the herd all the blessings father Nurgle had bestowed.

fashion first.

What would the Slaangors think?

Really, the wash looks darker for this stage, but with the overcoats, it clearly looks far different.

Its not that big a difference at least from where Im sitting and like others said, at least the new wash looks slightly better. Luckily you play beastmen and a little variety in colors just add to the army imo. I started out with calthan/devlan/gryphonne-sepia for hair and now Im doing mournfang/devlan/seraphim-sepia and was worried at first. But now I think it just adds flavor.

Yup, I wouldn't be too worried about it from the point of view of a Beasts army. My half finished High Elves are a bit more of a problem

@ Stampede: GW got kinda stuck due to IP licencing of their old paint range I believe (feel free to correct me...) and were forced to change or get slightly screwed over. While its a pain in the ass, such is life in the world of big business...

Anyway, the new paint range is actually really good, so I can deal with it, and if I do have problems, there are plenty of other very good paint ranges around that have paints similar to the old range. There's a very good comparison chart on the Dakkadakka forum around for exactly that reason....

The thing which bothers me most about the new washes is the shine you get on the model.

But yeah, most armies can probably manage the colours having a somewhat different tone, but for some (as mentioned: High Elves), it's a real pain.

I've only used the Reikland flesh and camo green washes, but I haven't noticed any shine. Yet multiple people have complained about it on the web.

With which washes did you get the shine? From memory most of the complaints I've seen were with the black wash.

Did you shake the washes before using them? Not sure why it happens, but that occurred with the old washes too.

@ SexyBeast & decker cky:
I've had it with indeed both black and the so-called Devlan Mud replacement. I've shaken them before using. Never had the issue with the old washes, anyhow. Many of the locals I've talked with about them had the same issue. One gave a solution though: after washing, if shiny, put a later of the lamian medium over it. I refuse to call this a good solution though, since it requires you to spend twice as much to actually use a wash.