Title: Great Weapon Centigors?
Stampede - June 28, 2012 02:35 PM (GMT)
So,
Having sold my old Beastmen army and regretting it a bit, i´v now managed to convince myself that the deal was a good one, since it lets me start fresh from a clean slate (I dare you to tell me otherwise, grrrr....).
Anyway, I like Centigor, and plan on making a unit of 8-10, using the gor+marauder horse technique from whatshisname.
Got an urge to add bestigor great weapons to them, but I am curious if this actually works decently? (As decent as centigors can ever become, mind) Or am I better served simply sticking to spears?
The way I see it is that their base initiative is crap at any rate, meaning the ASL is not to much of a loss. They do loose a point in armor save and add cost on an allready overcosted and fragile model though. But they will hit like... well, they will be bestigors with twice the movement, swiftstride and twice the cost.
BeastsBookorNot - June 28, 2012 04:39 PM (GMT)
Its something i have been toying with for a while now. Fazhak on here has a list with GW Centigors, Bestigors and Minotaurs. Its an expensive but dangerous list for sure. Dunno how competitive it will be though. What REALLY entices me is that with Ghorros they get WS 5 which is awesome...
Blackspine - June 28, 2012 04:44 PM (GMT)
it REALLY depends on the match up.
They're great as flankers v MSU armies.
vs Brett's they opened them like a tin can. fun to watch the knights get devoured by the lowly centigors.
I doubt I'd ever take them in an all comers list. The spear is ok, but +1 armor is nice and sadly, cheaper on an already pricey unit
again, another potentially good unit, 20-30% more than it should be
rothgar13 - June 28, 2012 06:33 PM (GMT)
It's just too pricey to justify taking over the Spear, in my opinion. Centigors are at their best against targets they can overwhelm quickly with their damage output, not grind-it-out fights, and Spears do just fine for the former use while costing you less points and providing you with better armor.
Gate13 - June 28, 2012 07:57 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (rothgar13 @ Jun 28 2012, 06:33 PM) |
| It's just too pricey to justify taking over the Spear, in my opinion. Centigors are at their best against targets they can overwhelm quickly with their damage output, not grind-it-out fights, and Spears do just fine for the former use while costing you less points and providing you with better armor. |
I agree it's just to costly for a unit that is not used at least in my opinion to get into long drawn out combat.
GorNZ - June 29, 2012 02:27 AM (GMT)
Would any of you swap spear for great weapon if it was free?
Gate13 - June 29, 2012 03:07 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (GorNZ @ Jun 29 2012, 02:27 AM) |
| Would any of you swap spear for great weapon if it was free? |
I personally wouldn't you lose the shield and you if I remember correctly if the unit is on a mount ( Which I presume the centigors would follow under being as they are considered cav) only get a 1 plus to strength.
Stampede - June 29, 2012 06:27 AM (GMT)
Thanks for the feedback people. Sadly I must acknowledge that you have the right of it. Paying 27 pts for a t4, 5+, 1W model is a bit pricy. More so compared to the heavy cavalry of other races, like DE cold ones, Dragon princes and KotR.
Might make a few conversions and use in friendly games simply because I think it might look brilliant, but will stick to the spears for competitions, where my centigors have done rather well, funnily enough.
Jackbedead - June 29, 2012 06:38 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Gate13 @ Jun 29 2012, 03:07 AM) |
| [QUOTE=GorNZ,Jun 29 2012, 02:27 AM] ( Which I presume the centigors would follow under being as they are considered cav) only get a 1 plus to strength. |
No. They're not mounted. They would get +2.
Stampede - June 29, 2012 06:52 AM (GMT)
Aye, I think that they still get 2+ streangth for being mounted with great weapons in this edition. I belive its only additional hand weapon that cannot be used while mounted.
Blackspine - June 29, 2012 07:01 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Gate13 @ Jun 29 2012, 03:07 AM) |
| QUOTE (GorNZ @ Jun 29 2012, 02:27 AM) | | Would any of you swap spear for great weapon if it was free? |
I personally wouldn't you lose the shield and you if I remember correctly if the unit is on a mount ( Which I presume the centigors would follow under being as they are considered cav) only get a 1 plus to strength.
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you don't lose the shield.
You just can't use it in combat.
nowhere does it say 'swap sh & spear for GW'. You just swap the weapons.
So, you still have it v shooting.
It's not great, but it helps v pesky S3 shooting.
Gate13 - June 29, 2012 12:57 PM (GMT)
on page 88 of the beastmen book you replace the entire units spears and shields with great weapons.
BeastieBoy - June 30, 2012 03:26 AM (GMT)
Despite how the rules are, if you are making 10 make 5 of each for variety.
Seems odd that centigors would be considered mounted, since they are not riding anything. That kind of rule seems like a missed opportunity to make a unique unit with rules that make sense.
Stampede - June 30, 2012 11:27 AM (GMT)
Hopefully they will get some special rules in the next book, even if that books is around 3 to infinity years away. Personaly i'd settle for 20pts/model and fast cavalry.
Might take your advice and make five of each to try them out either way. Currently im trying to figure out if a unit of 8-10 centigor or 1 Ghorgon will be the most usefull in my new army. Love both units/monster, but cant quite figure out which one is the most usefull, or rather, the least liability.
rothgar13 - July 2, 2012 06:26 AM (GMT)
I'd say the Ghorgon is the lesser of the two liabilities in that comparison, given that Centigors are vulnerable to many more things.
Gate13 - July 4, 2012 02:04 AM (GMT)
The mounted thing I may have messed up on new to beasts and all.
Bagrar - July 5, 2012 06:07 AM (GMT)
275 for 1 no save gorgon or 11 naked centigors. Well they both attract agro- I'd say it's a toss up and either unit could fulfill they same roll. The centigors will start out with 8 more attacks the first round but at strength 5 rather than the gorgons 6. The centigors have a shot at primal fury but the gorgon is itp. I usually go centigors because a canon ball would only murder 2 of em
Haven't tried great weapons because I allways want to strike first with either the lucky sober for once or a well targeted miasma or 3. They do so good usually that I'm thinking of making an all centigor list w/ chaff and herdstone of course. Need to post my new list for yall to digest......well I'm off to the army list section
popisdead - July 6, 2012 02:57 AM (GMT)
With the Shard of the Herdstone and Chalice you can protect them a bit better. Taking advantage of the high mobility is what separates them from Bestigors.