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 Mirza Ghulam Ahmad, Step by Step
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Najany baad ma anay walay waqyat aap keyon bhool gaya. Phalay is tasalsal ko pura ker latay hian.

1930 ki dahayee: Dushmanan ahmadiyat na achank faisla kia ka Qadian ke eint sa eint bja ker Ahamdiyyat ko hamashia khatam ker da gain. Iss ka jawab main Hazrat Mirza Bashir ud Din Mahmood (rz) nay elaan kia ka aab ham Ahmadiyyat ko sri dunya main phala dain gay. Faisla aap ka apnay kia Ahmaiyyat khatam ho gayee ya Ahmadiyyat sari dunya m aphal gaye.

1940 ke dahayee. Muslamannay Hind na aik ALG mulk hasil kia. Jammat Ahmadiyya wahid Islami Jammt thee jis nay Quaid i Azam ka sath mil ker unke madad ke ur ya mulk hasil kia.

1950 ke dahayee: Dushmananay Pakistan (Ahrar) na faisla kia ka jammat ko Pakistan sa khatam ker dain ga. Baad ke inquiry na sabit kia ka ya sab kuch islam ur pakisayn ko hijack kernay ke sazish thee.

1960 ke dahayee: khalifa Sani (rz) ka wisal ur India ka Pskistan per humla. Ahmadyyeon na apnay bhayeoan ka humra mulk ka difa kia. Doosri hjang a azeem ka baad chiwda ka muqam per tankoan kee saab sa bari larayee. Jis ke Kaman aik ahmadi na ke ur fatah payee.

1970: ahmadiyyon ko sarkari toor per gahir muslim karar diy ga. Jis na ya harqat kee wo 5 saal ka andhar unhoen logoan kee sazish ka nishana bana jin ka kahany per ya drama rajay gia. Wo aeen jis ma darj kia giya chay (6) sal k aandhar he uss ke dajayian urayee gayeen. Ur aab taak wo asal halat ma wapis nahin aa saka.

1980: Aik ur muskkilat ur qabyabion ke dahayee. Kalima parnay sa roka giya azan danay s roka giya. Kalima Tayyaba per sayaee payree gayee. Kernay wala ya karanay wala firown kee moot ka namona bana. Jasay wo apnay gernaloan ka saath ghark ho iss terha ya apnay gernaloan ka aath mara giya. Firon ke lash too mil gayee Qudrat ka nazara samajeay iss ka sirf wo dant milay jo masnoee thay.

1990 ke dahayee: Ahmadiyyat phalthee ja rahee ha sari dunya per bawojood dushman ke koshesshon ka.

Aab tak 2006. 167 saal ka arsa JO shaksh Qadian ma paday hoa uss kay mannay wala aik din bhe apne qamiyabion ka safr sa wapis nahin hoay. HA namanay wala ahbhe taak iss ko khatam kernay ma nakam hian urr hamasha asay hee rahayain ga.
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Aab aik inthahayee mukhtasir nazr sirf un khas baton per dal latay hain jin ka zikr aap na kia.

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Mirza's father donates 50 Armed Horsemen to fight against the Muslims in
1857 the War of Independence.


Maaf kejeya ga aap kay buzurgoan n akaha tha jo iss laryee ma angerazaon ke mokhalfat keray ga wo “haramzada” ho ga.

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Mirza Ghulam Qadir, ……… killed several freedom fighters near Sialkot
Azadi pasand wo hain jin ka zikr abhi ma na aap ka baraon kee zubani kia.

Wasa kia aap ko maloom ha ka jang a azeem ma apkay piyara Sh. Iqbal Sahib na 170000 musalman Hindustan say bijwaya iraq or turkey ke tarf taa ka iss angrazi sarkar ke madad ke ja sakay.
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1871 * Mirza Ghulam selected for the 'post' of Apostolic Prophet.


Iss ka baad apnay kuch ur inkasafat kea hain.

-1877 Criminal case registered against him by postal authorities.

- Case against Mirza by Income Tax authorities.

- House search by police on suspicion of murder of Pundit Lekhram, criminal case agianst him and his acquittal.
- Criminal case against Mirz a to keep peace.

Aab bhee aap kahaty hain ka Angrazoan ka agent thay.

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Written debate with Atham.


iss ka nechay aap liktay hain.

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As a result, many Muslims become Christians!


Hayrat ha ka aap ma sa koe bhee agay nahin aya Islam ko bacanay ka lea. Koe aik bhee mard a khuda na tha jo musalmano ko bacha sakta.

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Several attempts made on the life of Atham by unknown persons.


Ya too Atham sahib ka ilzam tha aap bagher tahkeek ka unkay pechay chal paray. Yani dushman ka dushman hamara dost. Bharhal yaad kerwatan chalon ka aik attempt enn ussi jalsay ma hoe the jis ko Atham ka elawa kisi na bhe mahsoos na kia. Tafsil uss waqt jab iss per pori bahas ho gee.

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Prayer Duel with Molvi Sanaullah Amratsari


Kia aap bata saktay hain ka sanaullah sahib na aap (as) ke zinddagii ma aik baar sirf aik baar bhee kaha ho ka ya uk tarfa dua ha, Ya wo bhee isko dua a mubhaila samaj ker iss sa firar hasil ketay rahay. Filhall sirf wo tarheek bata dain jis kee ma nay darkhuwast kee ha.

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Mohammadi Begum lived happily with her husband for next 35
years.


Aap kasay kha saktay hain wo khush rahee jab ka uski olad uss ke bahnay, bhai, chachain ur bohat say doasay rishtadar Ahmadi ho gaya uss naik bakht kee zindagi main. Waldain aap olad ke ghalat rawish ikhtear kernay per saab sa ziada preshan hoti ha. Khas toor per jab wo dushmano ka saath mil jaya.
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Tayyab Bhai aap nay jawabat to achay diye laikain aik baat bhol gaye kah just rewiat ko paish mat kia karin woh koi mani nahin rakhti, agar meri likhi hoi kisi baat ka reply he kar rahay hain to reference day kar aur ho sakay to mustanid reference jo kah avalable bhi ho.

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Rana Sahuib kis cheese ka refer. chaheya aap ko wazay ker datay to bahtar tha. Bharhall kuch hawalay pash a khidmat hain.

Sirsyed Ahmad Khan, Molvi Syed M. H. Batalvi, Molvi M.Sadeeq Hassan Khan etc ya wo chand look hain jinno nay iss mufsaday ke sakth mukhlifat ke. Rasala Asbab a Baghawat a Hind, Aliqsad fi masail jihad, Tarjaman wahabi ma allatarteeb ma aa ko ya mil saktay hain.

Sheikh Iqbal (allama Iqbal) sahib ka lia aap Akhbar Paisa 5/5/1918 ko dakh lain.

Maray khayal ma inn doo bataon ka hawala jat he ho saktay hain keyon ka baqi batain aap hee ke post sa le ayee hain ya ma na sanaullah sahib ka lea hawala mana ha.

Agar kuch rah gaya ho dobara poch lejeaya ga.
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Tayyab Bhai 1914 tak kay to hawalay main nay paish kiye thay laikin aap nay uss kay baad kay kuch bian kiye hain aur ab yahan main uss waqat yani 1914 kay baad waqiat references kay saath hazir hain

1917:

Ab to qadian haan woh qadian, jahan say kabhi deen kay chashmy phootaty thay, aik acha khasa political markaz baan gaya hay. log wahan aatay hain to koi deen seekhnay kay liye nahin balakah political amoor kay mutaliq discussion kay liye.
(Akhbar Paigham salah Lahore jild 5 page 43. 5 december 1917)
1918:

gharaz o kuch yahan (qadian) main hota hay, mahaz siasat he siasat hay, aur deen ka naam o nishan tak nahin.
(Akhbar Paigham salah Lahore jild 5 page 63. 20 February 1918)


1922:

Nahin maloom hamian kab khuda ki taraf say dunia ka charge sapurad kia jaata hay. hamain apni taraf say tayar rehna chahiye kah dunia ko sambhal sakain.
(Daily Alfazal qadian 27 february 29 - march 1922)

Asal main to yeh hay kah hum na angrez ki hakoomat chahtay hain na hindu ki hum to angrezi hakoomat chahtay hain.
(Daily Alfazal qadian 14 february 1922)

Angrez aur franseesi woh dewarain hain jin kay neechay ahmadiat ki hakoomat ka khazan madfoon hay
(Daily Alfazal qadian 27 february 1922)


1926:

pass jo log kahtay hain hum main syasat nahin, woh nadan hain, woh syasat ko samjhtay he nahin, aur asal baat yeh hay kah hamari syasat government ki syasat say bhi ziada hay.
(Daily Alfazal 8 June 1926)

uss waqat ahmadiyat ki hakoomat ho gee, aamdani ziada ho gee, maal amwal ki kasrat ho gee. jab tajarat aur hakoomat hamaray kabzay main ho gee to uss waqat kisi kisam ke takleef na ho gee.
(Daily Alfazal 8 June 1926)


1928:

Asman say kayee takhat utray par tera takhat sab say ooncha tha, pass doosri badshahton ko khatra hay kah woh toot jain geee, magar hamian umeed hay kah badshaht dee jaye gee, hukmaran dar rahay hain kah hakoomt toot jaye gee, magar hum khush hain kah hamaray haath main dee jaye gee.
(Daily Alfazal 3 April 1928)


1930:

chand maah say qadiani jamat aur iss kay amam mohtaram (mirza bashier ud din mahmood) siasaiat main khasi dilchaspi lay rahay hain, aur in ke taraf say tahafaz haqooq muslameen kay pur faraib naam say nehaiat mushtaba karwaian jari hain, aur iss silsila main baaz nehaiat ajeeb o ghareeb batain maloom hoin hain, aur justajoo par bohat say khofnaak aur ranjeeda inkashafat houe hain.
(Akhbar Paigham salah Lahore 15 july 1930)


1933:

allah kay fazal say woh buniad jo iss waqat bohat kamzor nazar aa rahi hay iss pay aik bohat mazboot aamarat kaim ho gee aur aisee azeem ul shan kah sari dunia iss kay andar aa jaye gee aur jo bahar rah jain gay aisay logon ki haseeait chooray chamaron se rah jaye ge.
(Al Fazal Qadian 29 january 1933)


1935:

kah iss waqat tak kah tumhari badshahat kaim na ho jaye, tumharay rastay say yeh kantay door nahin ho saktay.
(Al Fazal Qadian 8 July 1935)


1936:

aik zamana aisa aanay wala hay kah jab 1/10 hissa to kanchanian (Kanjrian) bhi dakhil karnay ko tyar ho jain gee, uss waqat hakoomat ahmadiayt ki ho gee.
(Irshadat khalifa aqdiani zmeema alwahiyat page 67)

hakoomat hamaray pass nahin kah hum jabar kay saath in logon ki islah karain aur hitlor ya misoolieni ki tarah jo shakhas hamaray hukmon ke tameel na karay, uss ko mulak say nikal bahar karin, aur jo hamari batain na sunnay ussay aibratnak saza dain. aur agar hakoomat hamaray pass hoti to hum aik din kay andar yeh kaam kar laitay.
(Taqreer Khalifa qadian Alfazal Qadian 2 june 1936 jild 22 page 286)


1937:

yeh mat khayal karo kah hamaray liye hakoomaton aur mulkon ka fatah karna band kar diya gaya hay, balakah hamaray liye bhi hakoomton aur mulkon ka fatah karna zaroori hay.
(al fazal 8 jaunary 1937)


1938:

hum main say har aik shakhas yeh yaqeen rakhta hay kah thoray aaarsa main humain tamaam dunia par na siraf aamli bartari hasil ho gee balkah syasi aur mazhabi bhi hasil ho jaye gee.
(al fazal 22 april 1938)


1939:

main to iss cheez ka kail hoon kah tamam dunia main swaye ahmadion kay kisi ki hakoomat nahin rahay gee.
(al fazal 21 november 1939)


1945:

jab tak ahmadya jamat nizam e hakoomat chalanay kay qabil nahin hotee iss waqat tak zaroori hay kah iss dewar (Angrezi hakoomat) ko kaqim rakha jaye taa kah yeh nizam kisi aisee takat (Musalman) kay kabza main na chala jaye jo ahmadiayt kay mafadat kay liye ziada muzar awr nuqsan deh ho.
(Alfazal 3 january 1945)

Balouchistan ki kul aabadi 5 ya 6 lakh hay ziada aabadi ko ahmadi banana mushkil hay, laikin thoray aadmion ko ahmadi banana koi mushkil nahin. pass jamat iss taraf tawaja day to iss soobay ko bohat jals ahmadi banaya ja sakta hay. agar hum iss saaray soobay ko ahmadi bana lain to kam az kam aik sooba to aisa ho jaye ga jis ko hum apna sooba kah sakain gay. pas main jamat ko iss taraf tawaja dilata hoon kah aap logon kay liye umda moka hay kah iss say faida uthain aur issay zaia na honay dain. pas tableegh kay zairye balouchistan ko apna sooba bana lain takah tareekh main apna naaam rahay.
(al fazal 3 August 1945)


1948:

hum nay yeh baat pehlay bhi kayee baar kahi hay aur ab bhi khatay hian kah hamaray nazdeek Taqseem (Paksitan banana) asoolan ghalat hay.
(al fazal 12 april 1948)


1950:

Pakistan main agar aik laakh ahmadi samjh liye jain to no 9 hazar ahmadion ko fouj main hona chahiye. fouji tyari nehaiayt aham cheez hay. jab tak aap jangi fanoon nahin seekhain gay kaam kaisay karain gay.
(Al Fazal 11 April 1950)


1951:

woh waqat aanay wala hay jab yeh log (musalman) mujramon ke haseyat say hamaray samnay paish hoon gay.
(Khitab salana confarance rabwah 1951)


1952:

agar hum himat karin aur tanzeem say kaam karain to 1952 main hum inqalab la sakatay hain.
(alfazal 16 january 1952)


1952 guzarnay na dijiye ga. jab ahmaidayt ka roub dushman iss had tak na mahsoos karay kah ab ahmadiayt mitai nahin ja sakti, aur woh majboor ho kar ahmadiyat ki aaghoush main aa giray.
(alfazal 16 january 1952)



yeh to thay kuch tareekhi waqiat, jo kah abhi jari hain inshallah 1952 say aagay chalon ga apni agli post main. laikin aik baat kya yeh tamam bainat kisi mazhabi jamat kay sarghuna kay lagatay hain, nahin bilkul nahin, yeh tamam bianat aik aisay shakhas kay lagtay hian jis ko maal o zar, iqtadar ki hawas nay bay qaboo kar rakaha hay.

laikin allah kay fazal say yeh tamamm bainaat aur barkhain aik dewanay ka khawab he sabit hooin aur jo kuch yeh khawab daikhany walon kay saath houa woh bhi tareekh main jali haroof main likha houa hay.

iss sari post kay baad main yeh likhnay pay majboor hoon

BILI KO CHECHRON KAY KAHAWB HE NAZAR AAIN GAY
AUR
BASHIER UD DIN MAHMOOD SB KO BADSHAHAT HE NAZAR AANI CHAHIYE THEE

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rana sahib ye jo qadiyani muszulum bany dunya main appni muszulumyat ka dhandora peet rahay han. ager khudanakhuwasta un kay hat main pakistan ke hokuhamt hoti tu yeh log woh zulum kartay musalmanoo per key khuda ki phana balkay iss say kaheen ziyada kartay pakistan ney tu sirif kafir qarar diya hay ye log tu na maaney waloon ko tu khatam he kar daytay. [B]MIRZA NABI KO MANOO KAYA KAHA NAHEE bigshoot.gif TUM MANTAY HO NAHEE superbad.gif TUMAHRA KAYA KIYAL HAY MANTAY HO NAHEE 2ar15smilie.gif HAN BAHI KHILAFAT KO MANTAY HO NAHEE[/B]:boom:boomboom.gif jasay ab bhi qadiyani log kahtay hain mullah ko gooli mardayni chaiye.

mujah bhi ek baat yad arahee hay

HUM CHEEN LAYNGAY TUM SAY YE SHA-N-BAYNIYAZE
TUM MANGTAY PHEROO GHAY HUM SAY GHOROOR APPNA
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Sid Bhai aap darust kahatay ho agar mirza bashier ud din mahmood musleh maood ko moqa milta to najany kya hota. any way

tayyab sb. you said
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1940 ke dahayee. Muslamannay Hind na aik ALG mulk hasil kia. Jammat Ahmadiyya wahid Islami Jammt thee jis nay Quaid i Azam ka sath mil ker unke madad ke ur ya mulk hasil kia.


aap nay jo likha hay yah pata nahin yeh sach hay ya nahin laikin aap ki jamat ka ikhbar jo bian chapta hay woh yaqeenan saheeh hay

hum nay yeh baat pehlay bhi kayee baar kahi hay aur ab bhi khatay hian kah hamaray nazdeek Taqseem (Paksitan banana) asoolan ghalat hay.
(al fazal 12 april 1948)


Baqi 1952 say agary inshallah subah paish karon ga.


Shukria


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Tayyab Sb.

1952 tak ki tareekh to aap daikh he chukay hoon gay. aur ab 1952 say agay Jamat ahmadia ke history aap kay samany paish karta hoon. daikhain aur kuch samjahin, aap meri jo tahreerain hain unhain siraf discussion ka he aik hesa na samjahin aur un pay ghour karain kah ho sakta hay kah haqeeqat yehi ho, jo kah aap logon ki nazron say posheeda hay, aur aap logon ko yani mirza sb. kay pairokaron ko jo haqeeqat aap logon kay murabi hazrat dekhatay hain woh ghlat ho, ya aap say chupai jati ho, iss liye aap in ki tahqeeq karin in main koi aisi logic nahin hay jo kah hum zair aur zabar ki wajah say uss pay bahas kartay rahin, simple aur saaf saaf bianat hain aap logon kay seniors kay. jin ko daikhnay kay baad kuch shak nahin rah jata kah yeh aik mazhabi jamat nahin balkah aik iqtadar ki bhooki jamat hay.

aur iqtadar ki hawas waziah tor pay nazar aa rahi hay, aksar aap nay bhi sunna ho ga aur may bhi aap bhi pakistan kay baray main achay khialat nahin rakhatay hoon gay to bhai meray agar in tareekhi waqiat pay nazar dalo to aap pay haqeeqat wazieh ho jati hay, yani agar hakoomat pakistan nay mirzaion ko kafir kaqrar dia hay to uss ki wajah aap kay samnay hay.

1954:

jab tak saray mahkmon main hamaray aadmi mojood na hoon, iin say poori tarha kaam nahin lay saktay, maslan motay motay mahkmon say fouj hay, police hay, aidministration hay, railway hay, finance hay, custom hay, engineering hay. yeh aath das motay motay seeghay hain, jin kay zariey say jamat apnay haqooq mahfooz karwa sakti hay. hamari jamat kay noujwan fouj main bathasha jatay hain, iss kay nateea main hamari nisbat fouj main doosray mahkmoon ki nisbat bohat ziada hay. aur hum iss say apnay haqooq ki nisbat faida nahin utha saktay. baqi mahkmay khali paray hain. baishak aap apnay larkon ko nokrian karwain laikin woh nokri aisee kion na ho kah jamat uss say faida utha sakay.
(Khutba mirza bashier alfazl 11 januray 1954)


1965:

convention main shareek mandobeen nay iss baat pay zor dia kah agar kadiani jamat barsar iqtadar aa jaye to ameeron pay tex lagay jain aur doulat ki az e sar no taqseem ke jaye.
( Roz nama jang rawlpindi edition 4 august 1965)


1966:

main jamat ko yeh bhi batana chahta hoon kah aainda 25 30 saal jamat kay liye boohat aaham hain, kion kah dunia main rohani inqlab azeem paida honay wala hay. main nahin kah sakta kah woh konsi khush bakhat komain hon gee jo sari ki sari ya in ki aksareeat ahmadiayat main dakhil ho gee. woh africa main hon gee, ya aljazair main ya doosray elakon main. laikin main pooray wasooq kay saath kah sakta hoon kah woh din door nahin jab dunia main aisay mamalik aur elakay paye jain gay jo ahmadiayt ko kabool kar lain gay ya wahaan ki hakoomat ahmadiayat kay hathon main ho gee.
( Khutaba alfazal 9 june 1966)

aainda agar kisi islami mulak main islami nizam kaim houa to hamari majlas mashawrat kay namoona par ho ga. iss liye agrcha hamari majlis mulki mamlat par ghour nahin karti to kal issi namona ki majlis tamam mamalik kay siasi mamlat pay ghour kar kay faisalay kia karay gee. iss liye hamari majlis mashawrat ka kiam bhi saeeduna hazarat khalifa maseeh sani kay azeem karnamon main say aik karnama ho ga. jiss say islami nizam hakoomat ka saheeh hulia waziah ho jata hay.
( Al fazal 29 march 1966)


1967:

Mujhay youn kahna chahiye kah pehlay baron ki tarbiyat karna zaroori hay, takah in kay zariay say in choton ki tarbeiyat ki ja sakay. bari he aham zimadarian an qareeb parnay wali hain, yaad rakhain agar hum nay iss main ghaflat barti to hum par khuda ka izab nazil ho ga. aik aur kom paida ke jaye gee jo khuda kay wadon ke waris banay gee. pass apni janon ki fikar karo aur in zimadrion kay milnay kay liye tyar ho jao. jo ilahi mansha kay mutabiq aik sakeem kay tahat aap par dalany wala hoon.
(al fazal 25 june 1967)


1970:

mourkha 20/10/70 mangal 8 bajay subah, rest house chaniot main fouji bharti ho gee. ummedwar taleemi certificate head master kay dastkhaton kay sath apnay hamrah zaroor lain, kam az kam miar bharti

qad 5 foot 6 inch
wazan 113 pound
chati 30" say 32"
taleem panch jamat
umer 17 say 20 saal
metric pas ki umer 17 say 21 saal
(Alfazal rabwah 13 october 1970)


AARMI KI BHARTI KA ISHTAHAR KON DAY RAHA HAY ?????????

ARMY TO KAR NAHIN RAHI LAIKIN RABWAH WALAY KAR RAHAY HAIN !!!!!!!!!!!!
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1973:

26 March 1973 ko dr. ibrahim mirzai nay press conference main khulay bandon iss baat ka izhar kia hay kah, hum nay aaj tak o mahnat ki hay woh pakistan kay liye nahin balkah aik mirzai hakoomat kay kiam kay liye hay. unhon nay washagaf ilfaz main kaha kah mirzai hakoomat 10 saal main qaim ho jaye gee. aik swal ka jawab daitay houe dr. ibrahim nay kaha kah qadian main ahmadia mission nay bangla daish ko kabool kar liya hay.
(weekly alminbar loyal pur Page 23 jild 18 shmira 11-16 may 1973)


1974:

paksitan ka iqtadar ab in ki jholi main girnay he wala hay aur mojoda hakoomat bhi in dast basta ghulam hay.
(Weekly lolaak Loyal pur jild 10 shamar 37. 18 january 1974)


Dr. Ibrahim ka dawa
Ahmadion ki hakoomat 10 baras kay andar andar kaim ho aye gee.
( Roznama awam loyal pur 27 march 1974)


itnay karor ruppay jama kar do, aik laakh cyclain, itnay hazar ghory mohya kar lo, ghalil bazi aur 100 meel yomia cycle swari ki practice kar lo. hamian yaqeen dilaya gaya hay kah ghalba islam ka zamana aan poncha hay, hamain bataya gaya hay kah hamari jamat kay sari duniy pay ghalba ka waqat aan poncha hay.
(Mirza Nasir Ahamd al fazal rabwah 26 february 1974)


WAH NASIR SB. KI WAH, NASIR SB NAY YEH NAHIN BATAY KAH KISS NAY UNAHIN GHLABA ISLAM KAY BARAY MAIN BATAY HAY, AGAR TO KHUDA KI TARAF SAY BATAAYA GAYA THA TO WAISA HOUA KION NAHIN AUR AGAR KHUDA NAY NAHIN BATAYA TO KISS NAY BATAYA.????????? lachen70.gif lachen70.gif lachen70.gif lachen70.gif lachen70.gif

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Police nay Rabwah relway station say ghair mulki aslah ki bhari tadad kabza main kar lee hay, yeh aslah paition main band kar kah rail gari kay zairye rabwah ponchaya ja raha tha.
(Daily Amroz Lahore 30 july 1975)


aglay choda saal ka arsa meray nazdeek tarbiyat par bohat zor dainay ka hay, jiss main hazaron ahmadion ko tarbiyat ki zaroorat hay, aur phir hamian ghalba islam ki sadi ka istakbal karna hay, pass insar allah apni zima darion ko samjh lain aur tarbiat ka program bnain takah jab ghalba islam ki aalamgeer aur hama geer jadojahid main wusat pada ho to iss waqat hazaron murabion ki zaroorat ho to lakhon murabi mojood hoon takah dunia ko smabhala ja sakay.
(alfazl rabaw 21 february 1975)


Baqi Inshallah agli post main likhon ga.


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shukriaya udhaydar sahib yani moderator sahib english ka mana karany ka ye english yani engrazi andaz passand aye.

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Afraz sb. mubarik ho aap ko moderator banany ke. laiakin aik chotee se baat main aap say kahna chahon ga kah aap to forum pay likhnay kay bhi laik nahin aur aap ko in logon nay moderator bana dia hay, waiasay aagar aap meri dua jee ka thread yani jis main qwaid w zawabat likay hain woh bhi aik nazar parh laitay to aap kam az kam forum kay rules kay mutabiq he koi baat kartay. laikin na moderator bananay say pehlayy aap ki koi post reason able the aur ab to moderator hain ab to jiss post ko dill karay urra dain aur jisss ko jo chahiyen karain,


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Bohat Khub Rana Sahib ayee aap ka deya ga hawalon ko smajtay hain shart sirf ya ha ka woo puray pash keya hoan.

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1917: Akhbar Paigham salah Lahore jild 5 page 43. 5 december 1917


Shahed aap ka ilm ma ho ka ya un logo ka akhbar tha jinhou nay taza taza jammat sa taluq tora tha ur ess waja sa mo kee khai thee. Baharhall katanazar apki halat ke agahee sa, aap ko batana chahta hoan ka Lahori Jammat na aik memorandum baja tha hukumat ko jis ma apnay aap ko sari jammat ka numainda karar dia tha. YA baat chonka halat ur waqyat ka khilaf thee iss lea iss ka jawab ma Hazrat Khalifa Sani (rz) nay aik wafad bacjwaya tha jis ma ya wazaya kia tha ka jammat ghair mubayeen ka hum sa koe talaq nahin. Aagar haqeeqat waza kerna siasyat ha too hum iss ko bura nahin samajtay. Ummed ha ka baat samaj ma aa gayee ho ge.

Hazoor (rz) na aik baar farmay tha “
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HAMARI JAMAMT KEE SIAYSAT BHEE MAZHAB KA MAHTAHAT HA ISS LEA HUM KO JIS AMAR PER KHUDA TALLA NAY KHARA KIA HA ISS SA HIL NAHIN SAKTAY”
YA wo rahnama assol ha siysat ka agar aap iss per ahtaraz rakhtay hain ya sabit karain ka hum nay jo kuch bhee siysat ka maidan ma kiya wo iss sa hat ker ha too forum hazir ha ayee ur ilzam pash kerain hamra kirdar mazhab ka dairay ma he payain ga. Chahain to sirf humaree kawishoan ko parkain ya aapnay buzurgoan a moazana kerain (agar moazana ker saktay hain too)

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1922:


Asal ma darmaian wala hawal hee kafi ha humara jawab samjnay ka lea. NA ANGRAIZ KE HAKOOMAT NA HINDU KEE HAKOOMAT SIRF ANGRAZI HAKOOMAT: Yani un asoolon per hakoomat jin per angraz hakoomat kertay hain ya tha. Aap dakhyee angraz hakoomat aap ko her qism kee azadi datee ha chaya wo mazbi ho ya siyasi. Mukhtaserun sirf in doo haltaon ka zikr kia ha keyon ka baqi sab taqrebban inhee ka under atee hain. Yahee doo rahnama asool hainjo aap her qamyab hakoomat ma payain gay chayain wo islami ho ya ghair islami.

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1926


yani humari syasat chinka mazhab ka ander rahti hoya ho ghee iss lea jo masawat ka asool Islam data ha wo aur koe nahin data. Tora sa baat ko aur samjeya ga ka islam humay hakoomat ka asool too data ha magar ya nahin kahta ka sirf ya tareek hakumat sab s bahtar. Hama ya azadi ha ka hum koe bhee tareek a hakoomat chonay agar hum asool islam ka apnay ga too hamara tareek-a-hakoomat sab sa bahtar ho ga.

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Aap nay lafazi too pash kee magar unke tarah ya nahin bataya ka wo “nehaiat mushtaba karwaian nehaiat ajeeb o ghareeb batain khofnaak aur ranjeeda inkashafat houe hain.” Kee tafsil nahin batyee bahtar hota ka aap tayari ker ka ilzam pash kerta jo ka dayantdaroan ka tareeqa ha.

Ilzam chonka “tahafaz haqooq muslameen” ka mutaliq ha too uss ke jankari latay hain. 1930 m Hazoor (rz) na aik muslim board banay kee tajveez pash ke ur us ke sadarat ka lea Sh. Iqbal kee shkseeat unkay zahan ma thee. Iqba ko jab kabar hoe to unho na aik khat Hazoor (rz) ke khidma tma likha jis ma farmaya, “CHOKAY AAP KE JAMAMT MUNAZIM HA NEEZ BOHAT SA MOSTAIN ADAMI ISS JAMMAT MA MOJOOD HAIN IS WASTAY AP BOHAT MUFEED KAM MUSALMANO KA LEA ANJAM DA SAKAIN GAY, BAQI RAHA BOARD KA MOAMLA SO YA KHAYAL NIHAT UNDA HAMA ISS KEE MEMBARI KA LEA HAZIR HOAN SADARAT KA LEA KOE ZIADA MOSTAID UR MUJH SA KAM UMR KA ADAMI ZAIDA MOZO HO GA” Aap khud sochya ka agar kam waqayee ma khofnak ur khatrnak tha too phir kesse dosrako member keyn banaya jata??

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1930 ur 1940


Aap ka tamam hawalajat batatay hain ka in ma kant chant hoe ha. keyon tareekh ko paray too maloom ho ga ka kis tara in dino ma jammat na Quiad I Azam ka sath mil ker Pakistn banaya tha. Us waqat jab tamam deni jamamtain Quaid I aAzam ko Kafir a Azam ur Pakistn ko napakistan qarar datee thee us waqt hum log hee tha jo quiad a shana bashana angrazoan ur hinduoan ka khilaf laree thee ur ya mulk marza wajood ma aya tha. Bhahs iss baat per baohat ho sakti ha aar aap ya shook rakhtay hain ka too aik naya mazmoon ka aapki tarf sa inezar raha ga.

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Aap ka itaraz kia ha ki aaap ahamdioan ka faouj ma shamil honay khilaf hain ya unke hubal watni ko shak ke nigh sa dekhtay hain. Agar khilaf hain too phir uss ke koe maqool waja bayab kerain?? Ur agar hubul watni pay shak ha too jasa ka aik missal pash ge gayee thee CHOWINDA ka mahaz ke agar wo kafi nahin too ur bhee pash kee ja sakti hain. Laken bahtr ho ga ka aap ilzam laa raha hain iss lea sabot ka sath ham per waza kerain.

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1954:


Baat phir wohi ha aap ka atraz kia ha aap keyon nahin chatay ka ahmadi tamam shobaya zindagi ma shamil hoan.

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1965


Yani aap mantay hain jammat ka anay sa dolat kee ghair munseefana taqseem khatm ho jaya gee????

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Rana Sahib bohat see bataon ka faham na rakhnay kee waja sa apnay ya hawala pash kea jo aap ka lia samajna mushkil hain. Aar aa shora ka jumal samaj lain to sab kuch wazay ha “kion kah dunia main rohani inqlab azeem paida honay wala hay” aab zar soch ker batayan ka rohani Inqalab ka lia kisi hakomat ke zaroorat hoti ha ya wo logo ka fouj m ajanay sa yaqeeni hota ha ya phir Siyasat sa rohani Inqalab ata ha.

Agar meri raya lain too sirf Allah Talla ka sath taluq jornay sa ya maqsad hasil hota ha ur iss ka leya hamay Hazrat Muhammad (saww) ka uswa per chalnay chaheya jis kee tashree aap (saww) ka aik adna Ghulam Hazrat Massih Maoud (as) nay pash kee ha.
islea aap ka tamam khadshat jo aap n auper ka hawalaon sa akhas kernay kee koshessh kee hain tamam fazool ur bamanee ho jati hain.

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Lagta ha ka aap aaj kal ka Alfazzal nahin partay. Keyon asee khabar ya ishtihar jo umatunass ka leea ho aab bhee Alfazzal ma shaya hota hain. Iss ma gabranay ya khaneyan banaya ke koe baat nahin hoti. Agar ya ishtihar koe khufia faouj banay ka hota to yaqeenan iss ma likha hota ka ya iss maqsad ka lea ha. Ya sirf aik itla ha agar ya ghair qanooni hoti to zaroor koe action hakoomat ke tarf sa howa hota.

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Shahed aap ka ilm ma ho ka LOLAAK jammat islami ka tarjuman tha. Iss lea in ka khadshat sirf siyasee maqasid pora kernay ka lea tha ur kuch nahin.

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Rana sahib kam az kam khabar ko puri tara per latay to ya ghalti na kertay. Aik tarf aap khetay hain “Rabwah relway station say ghair mulki aslah ki bhari tadad kabza main kar lee hay,” sath he ya bhe lekhtay hain “yeh aslah paition main band kar kah rail gari kay zairye rabwah ponchaya ja raha tha.” Dayantdari say sochya agar Rabwah RS say pakra tha too phir ponchya kasa ja skta tha zar sochaya ga zaroor?????
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Shahed aap ka ilm ma ho ka ya un logo ka akhbar tha jinhou nay taza taza jammat sa taluq tora tha ur ess waja sa mo kee khai thee. Baharhall katanazar apki halat ke agahee sa, aap ko batana chahta hoan ka Lahori Jammat na aik memorandum baja tha hukumat ko jis ma apnay aap ko sari jammat ka numainda karar dia tha. YA baat chonka halat ur waqyat ka khilaf thee iss lea iss ka jawab ma Hazrat Khalifa Sani (rz) nay aik wafad bacjwaya tha jis ma ya wazaya kia tha ka jammat ghair mubayeen ka hum sa koe talaq nahin. Aagar haqeeqat waza kerna siasyat ha too hum iss ko bura nahin samajtay. Ummed ha ka baat samaj ma aa gayee ho ge.


Tayyab sb. yeh to kuch tareekhi hewalajat thay, lahorion kay bhi aur qadianion kay bhi, koi itna khas faraq nahin hay pigham salah main aur alfazal main. kion kah har jagah syasat he ke baat hay, hakoomat hakoomat aur bas hakoomat.

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HAMARI JAMAMT KEE SIAYSAT BHEE MAZHAB KA MAHTAHAT HA ISS LEA HUM KO JIS AMAR PER KHUDA TALLA NAY KHARA KIA HA ISS SA HIL NAHIN SAKTAY”


YA wo rahnama assol ha siysat ka agar aap iss per ahtaraz rakhtay hain ya sabit karain ka hum nay jo kuch bhee siysat ka maidan ma kiya wo iss sa hat ker ha too forum hazir ha ayee ur ilzam pash kerain hamra kirdar mazhab ka dairay ma he payain ga. Chahain to sirf humaree kawishoan ko parkain ya aapnay buzurgoan a moazana kerain (agar moazana ker saktay hain too)


mohtaram aap kay mirza khalifa sani sb. darust farmaty hain, laikin aik aur jagah kuch aisay irshadat hain, woh bhi daikh lain

Nahin maloom hamian kab khuda ki taraf say dunia ka charge sapurad kia jaata hay. hamain apni taraf say tayar rehna chahiye kah dunia ko sambhal sakain.
(Daily Alfazal qadian 27 february 29 - march 1922)


Tayyab bhai reference to aur bohat say hain laikin aap agar neutral ho kar meray in tamam references ko chor dain aur khud apni jamat ki tareekh ko search kar lain to aap zaroor haqeeqat ko pa lain gay.


Shukria


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kion kah har jagah syasat he ke baat hay, hakoomat hakoomat aur bas hakoomat.


Rana Sahib asal baat ha halat yani tarheek sa aaghaee ur apnay asoolan pa chalna. Hamara nukta nazar wazhay tha ur ha. Hum na angrazoan ur hinduoan ka gath joor ke her jaga mukhlafat kee magar aik zabtay ka andhar rahtay hoaa. Jabka doosraon na too angraiz ur hinuoan kee hamayat kee ya phir bilawjay unko apna dushman banaya. Ya hee Siyasat ka farq ha. Yani asolloan ma farq ha. Iss lea dono batain aik nahin ho sktee.

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Nahin maloom hamian kab khuda ki taraf say ……………………. (Daily Alfazal qadian 27 february 29 - march 1922)


Kea aap batana pasand kerain gay ka iss sooch ma harj kia ha. Asal baat ha aik musbat sooch rakhna ur uss ka hasool ka lea musbat andaz ma hikmat amlee tayar kerna. Bhaghir kisi ka haq maray.

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apni jamat ki tareekh ko search kar lain to aap zaroor haqeeqat ko pa lain gay.


Yaha ya wazay ker doan ka meray tamam hawalay ur naqis ilm kee bunyad jammat ka literature hee nahin ha balkay TAREEKH ka adna sa student hoan. Jitnay bhee waqyat hain aap unko independent source sa parahain too maloom ho ga ka jo Pakistan per kabiz ho gaya hain wo asal ma tha hee iss ka khilaf. Mazeed kuch nahin.
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Dunya Tabaahee kee taraf barhh rahee hay. Dunya kay muaamlaat sambhaalnay kaa matlab Dunya kay sabb logoan kee khidmat hay, siyaasat nahin hay. Yaad rakhain, aik Mazhabee siyaasat hoatee hay (Jo hum kartay hain), aur aik siyaasee mazhab hoata hay (Jo baaqi maulvi kartay hain). Siyaasee mazhab manah hay.

Baaqi Jamaatain bay shak mazhabee siyaasat karain magar siyaasee mazhab nah banaain. Khidmat karain, siyaasat nah karain. Iss waqt bataain kaunsee mazhabee jamaat hay jo siyaasat main mulawwas nahin hay???
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aprtthy sb.

kay aapki jamat syasat main mulawais nahin hay, mirza sb. kay marnay kay forun baad say aur uss waqat say jab mirza mahmood sb. ko khalifa saani bnaya gaya uss waqat say kya yeh syasat nahin hay.


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QUOTE (rana_tipu @ Jun 20 2006, 06:56 AM)
aprtthy sb.

kay aapki jamat syasat main mulawais nahin hay, mirza sb. kay marnay kay forun baad say aur uss waqat say jab mirza mahmood sb. ko khalifa saani bnaya gaya uss waqat say kya yeh syasat nahin hay.

rana sahib

eik baat main main bohat tang ata hoon, aap log etraaz to kerne chale jate hain, lekin kabhi nahin dekhtain ke is tarah ki koi cheez Islam main thee ya hai ke nahin.

Jahan tak siyasat ka tualuq hai, to Islam hi ko dekhlain, kiya wahan siyasat nahin chalee?? Shia sunni alaq nahin hue. 1400 saal se eik doosre ke khilad gand nahin bol rahe.



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Siyaasat Kiya Hoti hay??
Maulvi loagon kee Jamaat jo Subuh Shaam siyaasat kartay hain. Poora saal siyaysat kartay hain. Yahee siyaasat hoti hay. Hukumat par qabzah karna. Sarkari Uhdah laina, Assembley kee seat kay liyay larnaa. Yaa phir Masjid kee Imaamat kay liyay jang Karna. Qatal takk kar daina.

Siyaasat kay Muqaabil Khidmat hay. Khidmat bilkul Manah nahin hay... Herr Mazhab kay usool hotay hain. Wohee uskee mazhabi siyaasat hoti hay. magar usko siyaasee mazhab nahin banana (Kaila) chaahiyay.
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QUOTE (aparthy @ Jun 20 2006, 11:11 AM)
Siyaasat Kiya Hoti hay??
Maulvi loagon kee Jamaat jo Subuh Shaam siyaasat kartay hain. Poora saal siyaysat kartay hain. Yahee siyaasat hoti hay. Hukumat par qabzah karna. Sarkari Uhdah laina, Assembley kee seat kay liyay larnaa. Yaa phir Masjid kee Imaamat kay liyay jang Karna. Qatal takk kar daina.

Siyaasat kay Muqaabil Khidmat hay. Khidmat bilkul Manah nahin hay... Herr Mazhab kay usool hotay hain. Wohee uskee mazhabi siyaasat hoti hay. magar usko siyaasee mazhab nahin banana (Kaila) chaahiyay.

aparthy khan sahib sahid app ney ye therad poora nahi pardha ho koinkey iss therad main ek post hay who delete kardi gai hay jab afraz sahib oodheydar (moderator)they unhon ney ghusay main akar ye post delete kar day jo kafee wazahat kay sath app kay sawal ka jawab thee. aur who bari mahnat say likhe gai thee mager afraz sahib ney appney power ka istemal kiya (yenee siyasat say) us post ko delete kar diya takay haqeeqat baqee narahay. biggrin.gif


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Maulvi loagon kee Jamaat jo Subuh Shaam siyaasat kartay hain.


khan sahib mujh ko nahi maloom kay app kahan per rahtay hain wasay ager jamat kay maulvi kee siyaasat dekhnee ho tu zara canada ja kar jamat kay maulvi hazrat say mulaqat karlayn. germany main bhi khuch asay hee hay. appnee oodhaydari qayem rakhney kay liye ye jamatee maulvi kaya kartay hain maloom hojayga.

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Hukumat par qabzah karna. Sarkari Uhdah laina, Assembley kee seat kay liyay larnaa


abb baat rahi pakistan per hukumat kee tu who app logon kay liye khowab ban gai hay. iss kay liy main intna kahon ga.


ye angoor abb khatay hain app qadiyanee logon kay liye.

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