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 What is morality?, Are you lot better thinkers than Nietzsc
xnova
Posted: Mar 1 2007, 07:48 PM


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There is a lot of arrogance among CS fans it seems. Some of the most secular, brilliant philosophers in history have stated that there is no morality without a higher power. Yet, there are apparently people on this board who are yet undiscovered by the masses in their philosophizing prowess, because they state that they can trust human instinct to determine morality, without any aid by a higher power!

Pray tell, ye enlightened ones, what exactly defines morality when it is up to the individual? Does your statement agree with the definition of morality? Have you ever even considered what morality actually is, or are you just making an assumption based on how you feel about "stuff"?
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Jade
Posted: Mar 1 2007, 08:16 PM


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Let's start with the definition of morality.

The term “morality” can be used either

(1) descriptively to refer to a code of conduct put forward by a society or,
a. some other group, such as a religion, or
b. accepted by an individual for his/her own behavior or

(2) normatively to refer to a code of conduct that, given specified conditions, would be put forward by all rational persons.


How morality is defined plays a crucial, although often unacknowledged, role in formulating ethical theories. To take “morality” to refer to an actually existing code of conduct is quite likely to lead to some form of relativism. Among those who use “morality” normatively, different specifications of the conditions under which all rational persons would put forward a code of conduct result in different kinds of moral theories. To claim that “morality” in the normative sense does not have any referent, that is, to claim that there is no code of conduct that, under any plausible specified conditions, would be put forward by all rational persons, results in moral skepticism. Thus, although, not widely discussed, the definition of morality has great significance for moral theory.
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captain gb
Posted: Mar 1 2007, 08:37 PM


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Okay, here's the deal-

1. God is the ultimate authority, the highest power.

2. Mankind cannot be the arbiter of morality.

3. People should not worship humankind, or the human spirit.

I think that's it in a nutshell, but I'm sure they'll let me know if I left anything out.
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Lt. Tadbart
Posted: Mar 1 2007, 10:02 PM


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42


True


3.14




those are the answers to all the important questions. but the most correct answer is always 42.
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(RulerofAll)KeepRockAlive
Posted: Mar 1 2007, 11:14 PM


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QUOTE (Lt. Tadbart @ Mar 1 2007, 10:02 PM)
42


True


3.14




those are the answers to all the important questions. but the most correct answer is always 42.

laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif
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Lt. Tadbart
Posted: Mar 2 2007, 03:10 AM


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In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and has been widely regarded as a bad move. biggrin.gif
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xnova
Posted: Mar 2 2007, 12:02 PM


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42 is but a numerical expression of human quantification.
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Captain BP
Posted: Mar 2 2007, 12:12 PM


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QUOTE (Lt. Tadbart @ Mar 2 2007, 03:10 AM)
In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and has been widely regarded as a bad move. biggrin.gif

Ha I just read that. I am reading The Restaurant at the End of the Universe.



Morality is an objective word. Like many things (ie. Truth) it is based on point of view. So if you share a similar point of view with someone your morals will be more in line with that persons morals. Similarly if you don't share the same point of views with someone your morals can and will differ vastly. To try and impose a blanket set of morals on society is not only a stupid thing to do because the majority of people will not agree its also an improbable thing to do.

So its because of this that I hate how people of any faith, background, culture, whatever try to impose their morals on another group. They will never see eye to eye and to try and make them accept those morals is ignorant.
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xnova
Posted: Mar 2 2007, 05:33 PM


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Actually, that is exactly why morality can't be decided on by humans, even a group of humans, because of its subjectivity.

As far as truth, that view is also incorrect. Truth is not subjective. If I say "objective means that something is based on people's views", then that is not the truth, since it is false. It doesn't matter if it is someone's opinion/POV that objective means the same thing as subjective, it is still wrong. The truth of the matter does not change due to point of view.
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Captain BP
Posted: Mar 2 2007, 06:47 PM


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Actually truth is not existent because nothing is absolute. More on this later.
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xnova
Posted: Mar 2 2007, 06:48 PM


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I wait with bated breath!
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