plotholes, discuss them here!

Lately, we are finding more and more plotholes. So I thought, why not give them an own topic? So, post every plothole you can find or anything you don't understand here and discuss them with others!

matt..thats all i got to say

maybe you should start being a bit more constructive in your criticism, witchclass? unless you don't start asking straight questions, you will never (and shouldn't expect to) receive straight answers.

ok, what about Matt? What is it that you want an anwer to? Do you have theories yourself?

This is going to become a topic containing all kinds of suggestions and ideas which are tempting to comic readers who are in the lead of knowledge. I still will read it. It depends on what's written how I react. The most optimistic thought I can have is "just be patient, it will happen!". But you never know which post was the most close to what will happen until it does.

with regards to saga 5. I think there might be a plot hole there. It is mentioned that Ludmoore came to earth before heatherfield was made and that when the elemental lights escaped him, one landed in a heather field, which is where the town of heatherfield would be made. Which does seem to imply that Ludmoore came to earth hundred of years ago.

However, Phobos came to power after Elyon was born and looking at issue 61 flashback, Phobos was definately in power when he ordered Ludmoore to go to Heatherfield. It seems though that Phobos has only been in power since a little while after Elyon was born. So, I'm not sure how a place like Heatherfield could be built in such a short time, seeing as Elyon is only a teenager when the comic starts.

Well, i have also found evidence that Phobos may have ruled Meridean longer than we thought. According to this page, metaworld was sealed away by the veil ages ago, but, when Elyon mother was the ruler, Metaworld wasn't an evil world yet right? So why would they seal it away? And the concept 'guardians' was invented because they needed people the protect the veil between Meridian and the rest of the universe, and as we all know, there have been many generations of guardians, so does this mean that Phobos is ages old? I know the concept 'guardians' had changed from 'guardians of the wall' to 'guardians of peace' through the story, but I am sure that the original concept of guardians was that their only duty was to protect the veil.

This post has been edited by Tekira on 5 November 2009 14:54

Maybe the time in Meridian is running faster than time on Earth?

It would explain more if time on Earth is running faster than on Meridean, but would be a possible expaination.

However, in saga 4, there is a flashback of Phobos as a child, along with Elyon as a baby and their mother. Seeing as Phobos was a small child when Elyon was born, it is unlikely, he would banish his mother at such a young age.

As well as that, Elyon grew up on Earth and aged in Earth time. So, Phobos can't have been Prince for very long. Perhaps only a few years in earth time? Either way, as Phobos and his family descend from the human Earth family Escanor, I would assume he ages at the same rate as regular humans on Earth, so even if Meridian time is different to Earth time, Phobos would still age the same as an Earth human.

To understand the concept of time between Meridian and Earth, we might have to look way back at issue #5 where the girls met Elias van Dahl, the Meridian court painter. In the 5th saga, Phobos ordered Ludmoore to go to Heatherfield 100 years before WITCH and opened the portals between the city and Meridian. But van Dahl came from the same time period as Phobos. When he tried to escape from Phobos's guards, he traveled back in time hundreds of years before Ludmoore was ever in Heatherfield. Mrs. Rudolph and Elyon's adopted parents, came to Heatherfield in our time and Cedric a few years after that.
So because of these time travelling evidences in the comic, I don't think that Earth goes faster than Metamoor. Rather, the Metamoorians came to Earth at a different time period.

Normally, it doesn't. But under the shadow of Phobos it did:
http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v653/Rou...current=047.jpg

Ah, I thought it was somewhere in the comics that it was said time flowed faster in Metamoor.

And though I don't think it was ever said in the comics, traveling between dimensions can run the risk of time travel as well.

But how about this one to throw onto the fire. In the second arc, issue 016, the second page suggests that Nerissa had been imprisoned for centuries, yet she was the keeper of the heart of the generation that includes Yan Lin. I don't think Yan Lin counted her age in the triple digits.

Well, being imprisoned in that stone coffin must have felt like centuries even in decades...that or maybe it has been centuries in Kandrakar while only a few decades on Earth where Nerissa was imprisoned?

Maybe an exaggeration in Nerissa's part.

• One more major plothole is the "Astral Drops Return", where Himerish stated that they shall return "...when the time comes". Unfortunately, it wasn't resolved and it seemed that the infallible Himerish forgot about this after the humiliation he felt in the Dark Mother Saga. So, is Himerish's departure a guarantee in a way that the Astral Drops will no longer return?

• Also... Himerish's age. It seems that Himerish in his past was Yarr's master, one of the great warriors of Basiliade. But it seemed that after a looooong time, Yarr only aged a bit when they saw each other again. So, that makes Yarr ages old too.

This post has been edited by Shao-ren on 6 November 2009 15:52

@ shao-ren

I think time stands still in Kandrakar, since Himerish en Yan Lin probably will stay their current age for ever. Time on Basiliade probably runs slower than on Earth, because Orube looks like a women in her twenties, but she acts way older (or maybe time is running the same as on Earth, but Baslians age slower).

@ Max
It really wierd that is is stated in the comic that time on Meridian runs faster, while all other evidence (look at my and loopy's posts) seemes to point out that time on Meridian runs slower than on Earth, which leaves us with a plothole, again...

This post has been edited by Tekira on 6 November 2009 19:08

It's possible that Phobos is a lot older then Elyon, but that the energy that he stole from the Meridians (the green glowing stuff) kept him looking young.

Maybe the first few energy that Phobos stole from Meridian made him age and now he looks like a man instead of a little boy whose only a few years older than his baby sister. But this is only an assumption. Perhaps after his mother scolded him and said that Meridian is not his to rule but for his sister, that little message etched into his mind. So perhaps he somehow drained the first partial energy of Meridian, making him more mature and stronger. This might have given him enough power to make his parents disappear and started his tyranny on the Metaworld.

to be clear, we are referring to this page now, right? but it still doesn't make any sense to me.

these are the facts:

Phobos is probably 5 years older that Elyon in that pic

Elyon came to Earth when she was a baby, and aged in normal tempo after that

Phobos came to power after Elyon fled to Earth

The Veil was created to ages ago, to protect the rest of the universe from some evil on metamoor (it has never litterly been said that it was Phobos)

many generations of guardians have protected the wall

Phobos send Ludmoore to Heatherfield 100 years ago (or something like that)

Elias was locked up in the painting in the Middle Ages.

Since Phobos took over, time is running faster in Metamoor than on Earth

So here is my theory: Maybe Metamoor is stuck in time in the Middle Ages. That means that if you travel from Metamoor to Earth, you can go to any age you want, but, if you go from Earth to Metamoor, you always end up in the Middle Ages. This way, day and night can still go faster than on Earth. The only thing I don't have an explaination for is the fact that Phobos can suddenly age from little boy to man, while Elyon is still a baby, because it seems very unlikely that a 5 year old boy can take over an entire planet...

This post has been edited by Tekira on 6 November 2009 19:45

Which is why I said that perhaps the first few energy sources that Phobos stole from Meridian made him more mature and more powerful enough to dethrone his parents or so.
As for your theory about Metamoor being stuck in the Middle Age, that really reminded me of Mary Hoffman's Stravaganza series. In it, the main characters are from our 21st century England and the dimensional Italian country that they kept traveling to, Talia, is stuck in the Renaissance age. Talia's time is going slower while the main characters' Earth is going faster. Originally, both worlds traveled in the same time flow. But when the first Stravanganze from our Renaissance England came to Talia, both the time between Earth and Talia became unstable.

I read the Stravaganza books too! And I understand your theory about Phobos using powers to mature, but, like I said, it seems unlikely to me that such a young boy would take over Metamoor, because even when he looks mature, it doesn't mean he mentally mature. And he seems quite mature mentally, but that's just my personal opinion...

We still face some other important things: in issue 1 we learn to know that the wall weakens each 1000 years, and then gets restored by the Guardians.

In issue 3 Witch opens the wall for the first time, a fact for which Luba went to Himerish to request for action. From Himerish we learn that Luba was just like the girls ten thousand years before. So the wall should have existed already by then.

In issue 5 Elias van Dahl expected to meet old women.

All of this brings me to a question: what is the age of Yan Lin? About 80 or 90? Or even over a thousand years?

And if the last thing could be true, is that because of the gift of Xin Jing, which caused the healing of Taranees eyes? Would there be some little left of the gift? Would it grow? Will the girls' lifespan grow?

why wont matt tell Will anything..

Actually, I also meant that the power source might have also matured Phobos mentally, too, witchclass.
And about the veil existing for thousands of years and with all of the time line that we have seen, it's very confusing. I'm not sure about Yan Lin's age but in the animated series, Nerissa told Cassidy that it has been about 40 years or so since their team broke up. So since CHYKN was about the WITCH's ages back then, I'm guessing Yan Lin was in her 60's before she "died". But since Kandrakar seems to travel faster or so than any other worlds, she might as well be over 1000 years old right now.
And as for Matt...the plot holes about him is starting to annoy me, but I really don't know why would he not tell Will everything about his time in Kandrakar. I think we should wait and read a few more issues to find out.

Someone explained in the Comic Scan thread a page ago that time ran differently in the different worlds, and that it was mentioned more explicitly in the books than in the comics. I can buy that the characters age normally for whatever world they're in. As for Metamoor being stuck in the Middle Ages, well it could have just developed differently. In our world, countries and cultures have been in different states of civilization at the same time as each other, so ít seems natural to assume something like that would go on in Metamoor as well.

It is a comic aimed at a young audience though, so I suppose they didn't put much effort into worldbuilding. It'd be fascinating to know why Metamoor developed the way it did, how many ties it had to Earth, and why powerful magic and what seems like divine right is tied to the female royal line when in Earth cultures are more patriarchal, etcetera.

I don't remember exactly where I read this, but I heard that the comic was only supposed to run for twelve issues, and that the original creators were thrown out after that. That might explain the plot inconsistencies between the first arc and the rest. I still can't make sense of why it was said that Metamoor had all the evil, and Earth had to be protected from it a long time ago. Not if Phobos was the evil, and if he was just a onetime ocurrence in a line of good ruling queens, especially if there were only two worlds at the beginning- not even with the explanation that time runs differently.