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Farenheit 9/11, This movie should be FREE to the public.

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DecadentPlanet	Posted: Jun 28 2004, 09:12 PM
Receptive Group: Members Posts: 20 Member No.: 8 Joined: 7-June 04	If you have not seen it, you NEED to go see it. This movie is very relevant to the Oil Crisis and Michael Moore really puts Bush out on the spot. Naturally the movie always shows him at his worst but his best is not very far from his worst to begin with. It will make you extremely uncomfortable about actually having the guy in office. I caught a few subtle suggestions that George Bush Sr. is actually running the United States like a business, like a puppet. I guess that would mean that G. W.Bush is just an insider screwing the American People(and the world) to make his father and the family's friends filthy stinking rich. And you know what? Michael Moore is absolutely, positively, 100%, CORRECT.

Master Achilles	Posted: Jun 29 2004, 08:51 AM
Receptive Group: Admin Posts: 25 Member No.: 2 Joined: 6-June 04	It's all about money with these fat cats.... vote Kerry '04 Im not dumb, I know that, Kerry is wrong for America, but Bush, Bush is the end of it....

Master Achilles	Posted: Jun 29 2004, 08:53 AM
Receptive Group: Admin Posts: 25 Member No.: 2 Joined: 6-June 04	If you can vote, see this movie. You know what though, it's not all about this movie, it just lays it out for you. Do the research, read a book, log onto BBC, know whats going on around you, we NEED change

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Posted: Jun 30 2004, 01:36 AM

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It is one thing to be a liberal - to support the rights of all sects, minorities and factions, and to support moderate policies when it comes to war and the environment. But to listen to Michael Moore's propaganda and take it as gospel is quite another.

The fact is, Bush has done good things and has the capacity to accomplish other good things. His war on terror, for example, cannot be seen as entirely bad. While it is a clear fact in my mind that the emphasis on Iraq over Afghanistan is because of its oil resources, there is proof that terrorist activities took place in Iraq before the invasion.

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Iraq told UN inspectors that Salman Pak was an anti-terror training camp for Iraqi special forces. However, two defectors from Iraqi intelligence stated that they had worked for several years at the secret Iraqi government camp, which had trained Islamic terrorists in rotations of five or six months since 1995. Training activities including simulated hijackings carried out in an airplane fuselage [said to be a Boeing 707] at the camp. The camp is divided into distinct sections. On one side of the camp young, Iraqis who were members of Fedayeen Saddam are trained in espionage, assassination techniques and sabotage. The Islamic militants trained on the other side of the camp, in an area separated by a small lake, trees and barbed wire. The militants reportedly spent time training, usually in groups of five or six, around the fuselage of the airplane. There were rarely more than 40 or 50 Islamic radicals in the camp at one time.

The possibility of UN aid or a diplomatic resolution was very slim. We know that France, Germany and Russia were not going to have it - thus effectively neutralizing the aid-giving capacity of both NATO and the UN. We know for a fact - you as supporters of the democratic candidate - that Kerry would not have toppled the Hussein regime. The fact that Saddam's regime was oppressive and miserable for the majority of Iraqis is undeniable.Although I hear that Kerry has enough love to go around.

Yeah there's also the fact that Islamic fundamentalists have vowed to destroy the infidel west at all costs...

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The best proof of this is their eagerness to destroy Iraq, the strongest neighboring Arab state, and their endeavor to fragment all the states of the region such as Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, and Sudan into paper statelets and through their disunion and weakness to guarantee Israel�s survival and the continuation of the brutal crusade occupation of the Peninsula.

On that basis, and in compliance with God�s order, we issue the following fatwa to all Muslims

The ruling to kill the Americans and their allies�civilians and military�is an individual duty for every Muslim who can do it in any country in which it is possible to do it, in order to liberate the al-Aqsa Mosque and the holy mosque from their grip, and in order for their armies to move out of all the lands of Islam, defeated and unable to threaten any Muslim. This is in accordance with the words of Almighty God, �and fight the pagans all together as they fight you all together,� and �fight them until there is no more tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in God.�

We�with God�s help�call on every Muslim who believes in God and wishes to be rewarded to comply with God�s order to kill the Americans and plunder their money wherever and whenever they find it. We also call on Muslim ulema, leaders, youths, and soldiers to launch the raid on Satan�s U.S. troops and the devil�s supporters allying with them, and to displace those who are behind them so that they may learn a lesson.

-Osama Bin Laden's declaration of war in 1998 (that would be the Clinton era btw)

America already had an effective Casus Belli against Iraq. Perhaps it was a good place to begin efforts at democratizing the fundamentalist governments of the Middle East seeing - as how it has high revenues of foreign capital from oil exports, a well developed Middle Class and an uncharacteristically liberal population of Shi'ites.

I have more material, including a long anti-Kery flame, but I will let that gush forth if anyone would like to present their reasons for voting Kerry. I am not pro-Bush, but I hate Kerry. Hate is the word. I hate him. I would never support voting for Bush because he is likely to institute a draft (or at least mobilize our selective service resources) but neither would I say vote Kerry just to get him out of office. Fucking two party system.

I am only dissatisfied with the way Bush handled the public issue of the war in Iraq.

Edit: Had to add the piece de resistance for that bs about Bush sr. secretly running the country.

senior's award

This is not the original article from the Wall Street Journal, which I could not find, but Bush sr. is not at all in agreement with his son's policies. The award mentioned in the above article is symbolic in that sense.

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