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 Stampede At Egyptian Game
Merengue
Posted: Feb 1 2012, 12:40 PM


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A real disaster is unfolding in Cairo as a 73 people, including some security personnel, are reported dead after a stampede at an Egyptian league match between Al Masry and Al Ahly,

Egyptian state TV has raised the death toll to 73 after fans of rival soccer teams rushed the field, hurling stones and sticks at each other and sparking a stampede.

State TV cited the Health Ministry and says 1,000 other people were injured in Wednesday’s melee.

A medical official, speaking on condition of anonymity because he wasn’t authorized to release the information, says some of the dead were security officers. Egypt’s state prosecutor has ordered an immediate investigation into the causes of the deaths. Witnesses say most appeared to have occurred in a stampede after fans of the home team, Al-Masry, stormed on to the field following a rare 3-1 win against Al-Ahly, Egypt’s top team. They then chased players and fans from the rival team.


73 dead, 1,000 injured!? This is one of the worst examples of football violence in years.


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Merengue
Posted: Feb 1 2012, 12:54 PM


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After witnessing such mayhem and tragedy, Mohamed Barakat and Mohamed Abutrika, two veteran stars of Al Ahly and Egypt's national team have announced their retirement.

I know Egypt is going through post revolutionary tumult, but where was the security?


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Posted: Feb 1 2012, 01:15 PM


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Apparently the security were just standing still and letting fans pour on to the field, check out this video.

You see the Al Ahly players (in red) making a beeline for their dressing room as fans chase them but look at the supposed police protection just standing there doing nothing?
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Posted: Feb 1 2012, 03:05 PM


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What depressing news. I know of the rivalry between Al Ahly and Zamalek, Egypt's two biggest clubs. I wonder if there has been a history of violence in the past between Al Ahly and Al Masry? If there was then definitely the security should have been better prepared than they were in this game.
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Penya
Posted: Feb 1 2012, 03:27 PM


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I remember reading during the Egyptian revolution that Al Ahly supporters were key players in the demonstrations in central Cairo. I am just speculating here but I wonder if the security forces inaction was their "payback" towards Al Ahly fans role in the revolution?
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ursus arctos
Posted: Feb 1 2012, 03:27 PM


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Horrific, and very much related to the continuing tensions between the societal forces that got rid of Mubarak and the security forces.

Evidently there have been problems at Al Masry/Ahly matches in the past, but this is looking more and more like the work of useful idiots who have provided the security forces with an excuse for continuing their crackdown on dissent.

The Zamalek ultras were so upset at what happened in Port Said that they burned their anti-Ahly banner in the stands during their match against Ismaili.

This is all unspeakably awful.
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Posted: Feb 1 2012, 03:34 PM


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Horrific, and very much related to the continuing tensions between the societal forces that got rid of Mubarak and the security forces.


Looks like we posted similar thoughts at the same time. I am not too surprised at the political undertones to this tragedy but the mass deaths will likely turn the public even more against them (government security forces) so their plan to look the other way as Al Masry fans did their dirty work likely will backfire. The awful part though is the amount of lives lost.
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ursus arctos
Posted: Feb 1 2012, 03:45 PM


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I hope you are right about the public reaction.

Egypt is going to be an even more dangerous place for people looking to express their opinions in the aftermath of this tragedy.
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Posted: Feb 1 2012, 09:32 PM


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An article from the Washington Post raising some of the same issues penya and ursus brought up of "outside interests" as being causes of this tragedy:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/at-lea...eTiQ_story.html

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The bloodshed brought into sharp focus how much security has deteriorated over the past year as the revolt and its continuing ripples have chipped away at the pillars of the police state that made Egypt an exceptionally safe nation in recent decades.

Egyptian state TV says at least 73 are dead and many more are injured following clashes that erupted after a soccer match between Egypt's Al-Ahly and Al-Masry teams in Port Said. (Feb. 1)

The clashes represent one of the biggest crises the country’s interim military leaders have faced since they took power a year ago and will probably shape the debate among newly elected members of parliament about the country’s controversial emergency law, which gives security officials vast powers.

“How come there’s a match in Port Said and there’s known tension between the two teams’ fans and there are 12,000 spectators in the stadium and, yet, there is no security,” parliament member Mohammad Abu Hamed said on state TV.

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Critics of the ruling military council took it to task for the violence, suggesting that the episode and other recent violent acts might have been orchestrated to justify the need to rule with an iron fist.

“Since when do innocent Egyptians get slaughtered in cold blood in Port Said?” Hamdeen Sabbahy, a presidential candidate, said in an interview broadcast on a private television channel. He added that state agents likely orchestrated the brawl to punish soccer fans for the role they have played during the revolution. “This is a dangerous phase, when Egypt loses 73 martyrs in a few hours.”

Al-Masry’s chief executive resigned shortly after the fight, saying carnage of that magnitude couldn’t have erupted spontaneously. “There are so many hands playing with our country so we can remain in the state of chaos and instability we are living now,” he said in a televised interview shortly after stepping down.


The death toll is now up to 74 but this article lists the injured as 200+, not the 1,000 reported before.

Was there a stampede which led to so many deaths or like Heysel a wall collapsing on fans and crushing them? Looking at the video, seems like there were ways out of the seating area for fans being rushed which would make being crushed in a stampede less likely. So were 74 people killed in fighting with rocks and pipes? Seems implausible doesn't it? You can see why so many fingers are being pointed at the security forces.


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Posted: Feb 1 2012, 10:03 PM


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QUOTE (Penya @ Feb 1 2012, 03:34 PM)
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Horrific, and very much related to the continuing tensions between the societal forces that got rid of Mubarak and the security forces.


Looks like we posted similar thoughts at the same time. I am not too surprised at the political undertones to this tragedy but the mass deaths will likely turn the public even more against them (government security forces) so their plan to look the other way as Al Masry fans did their dirty work likely will backfire. The awful part though is the amount of lives lost.

The confluence of sports and politics, this event has become the deadliest one in post revolutionary Egypt and I am with penya, it will become a watershed event in the country's political scene. The massve amount of deaths will turn even more people against the current interim government's crackdowns. There will be more unrest as a result of this tragedy but hopefully it will accelerate the needed political change.


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Some fascinating tweets and video from the incident and protesting fans after the event, including the dead and wounded arriving via train back in Cairo at a NY Times blog:

http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/02/0...?ref=middleeast

Some possible explanations also for the high death toll,

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Doctors quoted by Ahram Online said that many of the dead were trampled to death or died of suffocation in the melee. Adel Abdel Ghafar, an activist blogger, explained on Twitter that a private television channel was reporting that “there was a stampede at one of the gates that was closed with metal bars” and “people were crushed to death” as they tried to escape the stadium. He added that activists in Cairo planned to march to the Interior Ministry building on Thursday to protest the breakdown in security at the match.


But then elsewhere in the blog, this alternative explanation is also quoted, which squarely places blame not on security but on the Al Masry fans,

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Another activist, the blogger Mahmoud Salem, who writes as Sandmonkey, reported on Twitter that one of the ultras who was at the match “said the deaths were due to use of knives, stampede, and fans jumping from the top of stadium to avoid getting stabbed.” He added that the fans at the station said they held only the Masry supporters who attacked them responsible, even though there was an obvious failure by the security forces to protect them. 
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Posted: Feb 2 2012, 11:02 AM


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And this happens after the home team wins the game? Unbelievable.

I did read an article in the paper this morning that said that Egyptian security forces have been told to stand down and avoid physical confrontation. But, how can you let that go on?
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Sammy Maudlin
Posted: Feb 2 2012, 11:22 AM


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FIFA are asking Egypt's FA for explanations on the security breakdown. And today Al Ahly fans, and I am sure many others marched to the Interior Ministry protesting the killings but police then turned tear gas on them. They were prepared for this demonstration but not yesterday's riot!

And to follow up on yesterday's comment about several Al Ahly players retiring,

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Al-Ahly and Egypt players Mohamed Aboutrika and Emad Moteab have announced they will not play professional football again after witnessing Wednesday's violence.

Mohamed Barakat, who also represents the club and country, told Al-Ahly TV he will not consider playing again until there is "retribution for the people that died.''


http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/02022012/58/...ypt-deaths.html

Perhaps a heat of the moment response but that would be a big loss for Al Ahly and the Bob Bradley coached Egypt national team.

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ursus arctos
Posted: Feb 2 2012, 12:14 PM


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The best explanation for the very high death toll that I've seen so far is that a majority of the deaths resulted from Ahly supporters trying to flee the stadium through a tunnel which they did not realize had been locked and bolted on the other end. Some supporters were trampled in the resulting crush, while others suffocated.

The public and political response in Egypt has been almost uniform condemnation of the security forces, which gives me even greater hope that the long term outcome that Penya outlined and Martin expanded upon may in fact be realized.
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Merengue
Posted: Feb 2 2012, 01:09 PM


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I think long term there is a good chance that the outcome Penya and Martin discussed, political change, will eventually take place with this tragic event being something wich changes the whole discourse. But short term, the government likely will try and crackdown even more on political protestors.

The Egyptian Prime Minister has removed the entire board of Egypt's FA and referred them over to public prosecutors for investigation into yesterday's tragedy. But isn't governmental interference with a FA against FIFA's by laws? Doesn't Egypt risk being banned from FIFA while this happens? Perhaps that is the least of their worries, however, in the present situation?


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