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 Copa Libertadores 2012 (R)
Martin
Posted: Apr 17 2012, 03:56 PM


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Deportivo Quito and Bolivar control their own fate tonight, win and they qualify, the other clubs competing for a 2nd round spot in their groups, Defensor Sporting and Guadalajara in Deportivo Quito's group and Universidad Catolica and Junior in Bolivar's, need to win and hope for help.

A half hour in and Deportivo Quito lead Guadalajara 2-0, making Defensor's 1-0 win over Velez superfluous.


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rosarino
Posted: Apr 18 2012, 03:19 PM


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Tuesday's results
Deportivo Quito 5-0 Guadalajara
Velez Sarsfield 1-3 Defensor Sporting
Bolivar 3-0 Universidad Catolica
Junior 2-1 Union Española

Not as much drama as expected as both Deportivo Quito and Bolivar scored early and often ending the hopes of the other contending clubs in their groups. Deportivo Quito crushed a disspirited Guadalajara with 4 goals from Argentine Matias Alustiza. It did not help Guadalajara that while 2-0 down they had Jorge Enriquez sent off.

That result did not prevent defensor Sporting from beating Velez 3-1 in Argentina as they too scored early but the uruguayan club did not qualify. And despite the defeat Velez still qualified a sgroup winner.

In the later games Bolivar scored in the first and 27th minutes to effectively end Universidad catolica's challenge. A 3rd goal came in the 2nd half. Meanwhile Junior restored some pride with a 2-1 home win over Union Española. The Chilean club finished the group ahead of Bolivar on goal difference.

So Deportivo Quito and Bolivar each qualified, menaing 14 of the 16 2nd round participants are now known.

Remember the 2nd round [octave final] pairngs are made by ordering the group winners from 1-8 based on the total points earned in group play with the 2nd placed clubs being ordered 9-16 based on their points earned. Any ties in points determiend by goal difference then total goals scored. Then the octave finals are set by pairing teams 1 vs 16, 2 vs 15, 3 vs 14 etc.

If Fluminense win tonight they will assure themselves the top seed for the elimination stage of the competition.
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cafetero
Posted: Apr 18 2012, 03:46 PM


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Not many clubs will look forward to getting paired with Bolivar in the next round. First of all they play in La Paz' high altitude but the club also have done pretty well away from home in grop play. First time in almost a decade where Bolivar, perennial Libertadores participants, have advanced past the group stage.

With Deportivo Quito and Emelec each qualifying, this will be the first time since 2004 where Ecuador have placed two clubs into the 2nd round. Venezuela and Peru have been shut out in getting a club to the 2nd round which is not entirely surprising but the fact no Uruguayan clubs qualified either is a surprise.
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Dr. Z
Posted: Apr 19 2012, 09:46 AM


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Wednesday's scores
Boca Juniors 2-0 Zamora
Arsenal 1-2 Fluminense
Corinthians 6-0 Deportivo Tachira
Cruz Azul 4-1 Nacional (Paraguay)

These games were only for final group positions as it was already assured Fluminense, Boca, Corinthians and Cruz Azul would qualify. And each qualified club won with Corinthians and Cruz Azul really laying it on their overmatched opponents. Fluminense did guarantee they will finish as the top seed and Corinthians win likely means they will be 2nd. Boca, look a good bet to be the top seeded 2nd place team which means they will face the group winner with the least amount of points.



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enganche
Posted: Apr 19 2012, 11:35 AM


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More games tonight which essentially are just for finding out who will be first and who second in their group, although Bolivia's The Strongest if they defeat Santos in Brazil, a very dificult proposition, or if winless Juan Aurich beats Internacional in Porto Alegre, could sneak in. but that remains highly unlikely as Santos and Internacional look to advance. U de Chile hosts Atletico Nacional in what looks to be a good battle for first place in their group.

Looks like Union Espanola, via poorer goal difference compared to Lanus, will finish as the lowest seeded group winner so one octave final matchup is known already as Union Espanola will face Boca, the highest seeded group runnerup. The other matchups will not be known until tonight's matches are completed.


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Martin
Posted: Apr 19 2012, 04:17 PM


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Juan Aurich are playing Internacional in Peru not Brazil and an hour in and Juan Aurich are 1-0 in front while Santos-The Strongest is 0-0. Those results if they continue would still qualify Santos 1st and Inter 2nd as Inter have a much superior goal difference than The Strongest, +4 (as of now) to -4. But 1 goal for The Strongest and there will amazingly be two Bolivian clubs in the octave finals!

Looks pretty likely Vasco will be the 2nd best group runnerup so they likely will be facing Lanus in the next round.


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rosarino
Posted: Apr 19 2012, 07:08 PM


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Thursday's results
Santos 2-0 The Strongest
Juan Aurich 1-0 Internacional
Universidad Chile 2-1 Atletico Nacional
Peñarol 4-2 Godoy Cruz

Juan Aurich ended their winless streak with a win over Internacional but with Santos scoring 2 late goals against The Strongest, Internacional still finished 2nd in the group (behind Santos) and The Strongest were eliminated.

In the late game, U de Chile defeated Atletico Nacional 2-1 to win teir group ahead of Atletico nacional. Matias Rodriguez, the Argentine wingback opened the scoring for La U but Dorlan Pabon tied it up for Atletico nacional after an hour. But that tie did not last long as Osvaldo Gonzalez put U de Chile back in the lead and they held on for the victory. Like Juan Aurich, Peñarol saved some face at the end with a win as Venezuela's zamora ended up as the club with the fewest points in the group stage, one, a tie in their first game against Boca.

So if I am correct in my math this is how the quarterfinals will look with seeds in parentheses:

[1]Fluminense- [16]Internacional
[2]Corinthians - [15]Emelec
[3]Santos- [14]Bolivar
[4]U de Chile- [13]Deportivo Quito
[5]Libertad- [12]Cruz Azul
[6]Velez-[11]Atletico Nacional
[7]Lanus- [10]Vasco
[8]Unión Española - [9]Boca

The fun part is about to start. Some intriguing matchups there, especially Fluminense-Internacional, Velez-Atletico Nacional and Unión Española-Boca.
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Mr. Pither
Posted: Apr 20 2012, 08:54 AM


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[1]Fluminense- [16]Internacional
[2]Corinthians - [15]Emelec
[3]Santos- [14]Bolivar
[4]U de Chile- [13]Deportivo Quito
[5]Libertad- [12]Cruz Azul
[6]Velez-[11]Atletico Nacional
[7]Lanus- [10]Vasco
[8]Unión Española - [9]Boca


So if I understand it correctly, the 1-16 winner plays the 8-9 winner, 2-15 plays 7-10, 3-14 goes up with 6-11 and 4-13 faces 5-12.

Means if they win their round of 16 games, Fluminense could face Boca Juniors again, this time in the quarterfinals. But first things first as each does not have an easy round of 16 match.

Of the 16 clubs remaining 5 are Brazilian, 3 Argentinian, 2 each from Chile and Ecuador and 1 each from Colombia, Paraguay, Bolivia and Mexico.


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Posted: Apr 20 2012, 09:20 AM


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Yes that is right Mr. Pither, so the actual pairings really look like this:

[1]Fluminense - [16]Internacional
[8]Unión Española- [9]Boca

[4]Universidad de Chile[13]Deportivo Quito
[5]Libertad - [12]Cruz Azul

[2]Corinthians - [15]Emelec
[7]Lanus - [10]Vasco

[3]Santos - [14]Bolivar
[6]Velez - [11]Atletico Nacional

It is hard not to look forward to potential quarterfinal and even semifinal matchups but Mr. P is right, first each team needs to concentrate on these octave finals. Remember last season when Cruzeiro looked great in group play, and like Fluminense this season, ended as top seed. Well they lost their octave final series.
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Lalo
Posted: Apr 20 2012, 01:34 PM


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There are no easy games at this stage but the Velez-Atletico Nacional game looks to me like the most interesting of all these octave final games. Champions Santos won't enjoy another trip to Bolivia but they should still get by Bolivar and as others wrote Fluminense did not really receive a prize by getting paired with Internacional, a dangerous 16th seed.

I'll of course be pulling for Union Espanola when this starts up in two weeks time! biggrin.gif
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rosarino
Posted: Apr 21 2012, 10:38 PM


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U de Chile, Libertad and Atletico Nacional are the 3 clubs from outside Argentina or Brazil with what I think are a legitimate chance at winning the title this July. But my money would be on either Santos or Boca to win the title with Fluminense, Corinthians and Vasco being outside contenders.

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Posted: Apr 22 2012, 03:53 PM


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QUOTE (xeneize @ Apr 20 2012, 09:20 AM)
Yes that is right Mr. Pither, so the actual pairings really look like this:

[1]Fluminense - [16]Internacional
[8]Unión Española- [9]Boca

[4]Universidad de Chile[13]Deportivo Quito
[5]Libertad - [12]Cruz Azul

[2]Corinthians - [15]Emelec
[7]Lanus - [10]Vasco

[3]Santos - [14]Bolivar
[6]Velez - [11]Atletico Nacional

It is hard not to look forward to potential quarterfinal and even semifinal matchups but Mr. P is right, first each team needs to concentrate on these octave finals. Remember last season when Cruzeiro looked great in group play, and like Fluminense this season, ended as top seed. Well they lost their octave final series.

Everybody will have this week off to prepare for these octave finals. Santos played pretty well even in losing their opening group game in la paz. They will have learned from that game. Bolivar had a fine group stage but this is a club santos should defeat and the experience gaiend from last year's Libertadores will serve santos well.

I too do not think Fluminense will look forward to playing Internacional but this Inter team does not defend well. Should be a good matchup of center forwards though, Fred x Leandro Damiao and playmakers, Thiago Neves & Deco x D'Alessandro & Datolo. Inter also are missing Oscar whose status has been put in limbo by the courts as Sao Paulo claim he is a Sao Paulo player and not one for Internacional. In the meantime, one of the best young players in Brasil is barred from playing for any club until the dispute is resolved.
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Posted: Apr 25 2012, 07:56 PM


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I hope you did not miss your team tonight Santista, as two matches did take place in the octave finals. Their results were:

Bolivar 2-1 Santos
Internacional 0-0 Fluminense

Jhasmany Campos with both goals for Bolivar, each on a free kick, although his first goal, just 2 minutes into the game, may also be credited as an own goal by Rafael, the Santos goalie as Campos' free kick came off the post and rebounded off of Rafael's back and into the net. Santos tied the game, momentarily when their own free kick by Elano was saved by Arguello the Bolivar goalie but the rebound was put in by Maranhao of Santos who followed the shot. The altitude did not really adversely effect Santos as they were pushing at the end of the game for the game tying goal and Arguello did well late to tip a powerful Neymar shot onto the post for a corner. But with an away goal and only a 1 goal differential, Santos are pretty well situated for the return leg.

In Porto Alegre, Fluminense got an away draw versus Internacional. Bad luck for Inter as the day before Andres D'Alessandro injured himself and will miss both legs against Fluminense. Then in this match, Jesus Datolo missed a penalty. But Flu did not score any away goals so Internacional, an experienced Cup competitor are still in with a chance.
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Posted: Apr 25 2012, 08:32 PM


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An enjoyable game in La Paz, Bolivar with the obligation to win went at Santos but the Brazilians did do pretty well in the altitude and caused problems of their own. Campos does strike the ball well and is a threat on set pieces but it will be difficult for Bolivar in the return leg, Santos have a lot of ways to beat you and it looked to me like Elano, who has been in a slump, is finally coming out of it and is a threat of his own on free kicks. Plus there is this guy Neymar who is capable of winning games on his own.

For TV reasons the octave finals started tonight but there will not be any further games until next Tuesday and the clubs who played tonight will not play their return games until May 10.


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Martin
Posted: Apr 26 2012, 05:50 PM


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I am with the consensus here, Santos by only losing by a goal while getting an away goal, are in pretty good shape heading home. But they have to avoid giving up fouls near their penalty area as Jhasmany Campos has proven to be an excellent free kick taker.

0-0 is not terrible either for Internacional as they head to Rio for leg 2 against Fluminense. But Inter do miss the injured D'Alessandro. Deco and Thiago Neves should create plenty of scoring chances in leg 2 for Fred and whomever of Rafael Moura or Rafael Sobis, a former Libertadores winner with Internacional.


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