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 Brasil National Team, Post World Cup Discussion
shelsoccer
Posted: Jul 4 2010, 04:50 PM


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So, Dunga is out as Brazil's coach. The next hire will be interesting. He'll not only have to deal with the difficulties of coaching the host country in 2014 (no qualifying to tune your team, the expectations of a nation), but also come to grips with the now ever-present arguments about the way Brazil plays.
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ursus arctos
Posted: Jul 4 2010, 06:26 PM


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Early favorites are Scolari and Leonardo.

Were I Brazilian, I would go for the younger guy. He has four years, with no qualifiers, to build a team that will almost certainly be favorites. The pressure will be intense, but I think Leonardo can handle it.
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Merengue
Posted: Jul 4 2010, 10:34 PM


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Scolari has become a mercenary in recent years and just took the job coaching Palmeiras. Plus he has been there, done that already. Zagalo, Parreira and Lippi are all former World Cup winners who were less successful on their 2nd go arounds. Better in my eyes to go with someone new.

Leonardo seems like a thoughtful guy and I thought did pretty well wth what he had last season at Milan. But he has only 1 year experience coaching and after Dunga I wonder if the CBF will go for somebody with more coaching experience? What about some of the successful local coaches like Mano Menezes, Paulo Autori or Muricy Ramalho?


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Posted: Jul 6 2010, 09:11 PM


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One of the thoughts making the rounds is Leonardo can be appointed as an interim coach and will see how he does with veterans like Scolari, Menezes or Ramalho available later on if Leonardo is not up to it.

Ultimately Dunga paid the prize for not taking enough attacking midfielders so that Brazil had limited options with Elano hurt and ramires suspended. Guys like Julio Baptista and Kleberson should have been replaced with more offensive minded midfield players.
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Merengue
Posted: Jul 6 2010, 10:02 PM


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QUOTE (Pepe @ Jul 6 2010, 09:11 PM)
One of the thoughts making the rounds is Leonardo can be appointed as an interim coach and will see how he does with veterans like Scolari, Menezes or Ramalho available later on if Leonardo is not up to it.

Ultimately Dunga paid the prize for not taking enough attacking midfielders so that Brazil had limited options with Elano hurt and ramires suspended. Guys like Julio Baptista and Kleberson should have been replaced with more offensive minded midfield players.

If this is true then it sounds to me they are just looking for Leonardo to be a short term hire with him holding the seat warm untl Felipao wants the job. Not sure if that is wise.


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Merengue
Posted: Jul 19 2010, 07:46 PM


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QUOTE (Merengue @ Jul 6 2010, 10:02 PM)
QUOTE (Pepe @ Jul 6 2010, 09:11 PM)
One of the thoughts making the rounds is Leonardo can be appointed as an interim coach and will see how he does with veterans like Scolari, Menezes or Ramalho available later on if Leonardo is not up to it.

Ultimately Dunga paid the prize for not taking enough attacking midfielders so that Brazil had limited options with Elano hurt and ramires suspended.  Guys like Julio Baptista and Kleberson should have been replaced with more offensive minded midfield players.

If this is true then it sounds to me they are just looking for Leonardo to be a short term hire with him holding the seat warm untl Felipao wants the job. Not sure if that is wise.

Today Ricardo Teixeira, the CBF president announced the new Brasil coach will be announced on Sunday and it will not be an interim appintment. Start the specualtion now, looks unlikely then it would be Felipao who just started at Palmeiras, and would Muricy Ramalho walk away from Fluminense just as he is getting them on the right track?


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Merengue
Posted: Jul 21 2010, 02:57 PM


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Corinthians coach Mano Menezes looks like the favorite to become Brasil's new coach. A potential hangup is Corinthians want him to stick around through December and coach the club to what they hope can be a league championship, the CBF want him full time now.


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Alexao
Posted: Jul 23 2010, 09:22 AM


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Brasil are going with Muricy Ramalho the current Fluminense coach. I think there were several factors as to why he and not Mano Menezes got the job:

-Muricy has been a winner everywhere he has gone, he lead Sao Paulo to 3 straight league titles 2006-08 and now has a Fluminense team who barely escaped relegation last season in first place in the league. Mano Menezes has been a successful coach in that he has led teams to good league finishes, and helepd both Gremio and Corinthians climb out of Serie B, but he has never won any major championships, last years Copa do Brasil victory with Corinthians perhaps being his best coaching victory. So the CBF went with Muricy Ramalho's better overall coaching accomplishments.

-Muricy Ramalho's team are always known for being well balanced, they defend well and some criticized his Sao Paulo championship winning teams for not playing "pretty" enough but that was a criticism also made at Luiz Felipe Scolari's club teams and he went on to coach a stylish 2002 World Cup winning Brasil team. Muricy also is smart enough not to repeat Dunga's mistakes.

Maybe it is too late now that we are beginning the Muricy Ramalho era but since I have been away when I get some time I will post my thoughts on Brasil's 2010 World Cup team.


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Posted: Jul 23 2010, 10:34 AM


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You make some good points Alexao about why Muricy Ramalho was hired. I especially like your point about how Felipao was considered a defensive minded coach, much like Dunga and Muricy are, but that he produced a Brazilian team in 2002 which was very stylish going forward. Of course it also helped having Ronaldo, Rivaldo, Ronaldinho, Roberto Carlos and Cafu!

Muricy's later Sao Paulo teams were very much like Dunga's recent Brazil teams, solid defensively and looking to score off of set pieces and counters. It will be interesting to see if he can or will change that dynamic now that he will be in charge of the national team.

Muricy Ramalho is a guy with a harsh personality and he will certainly rub some people the wrong way as Brazil's coach but you cannot really argue with his track record. I read where Teixeira, the CBF president says he wants Brazl to start slowly rebuilding for 2014 with an eye more on doing well in 2014 than short term goals, so that implies they will be patient while Muricy Ramalho rebuilds the team.


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Posted: Jul 23 2010, 01:50 PM


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Not so fast, Fluminense say they will not release Muricy Ramalho from the contract he has with the club which runs through December 2012. Plus Flu's president says they are paying the coach more than the CBF offered him. Not sure if this is a negotiating ploy on their behalf and they are trying to get the CBF to permit Muricy Ramalho to remain as Flu's coach through the end of the current season in December or if they really are trying to completely block the coach from moving on to the national team job. The CBF had previously said they wanted the new head coach to take over immediately and not be burdened with coaching a club side. But with only a few friendlies between now and the end of the calendar year, what is the real hurry in getting a full time coach in now?


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Martin
Posted: Jul 23 2010, 05:13 PM


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The CBF are not playing with Fluminense, they are now offering the job to Corinthians coach Mano Menezes who will make his decision known tomorrow. Apparently Corinthians' president is a high official in the CBF himself and will not stop Mano Menezes from taking the job, if he wants it.

And you have to ask if he will take the job. It is obvious he is the second choice and if anything ever goes wrong with Mano Menezes coaching the team, the calls for his firing and Muricy Ramalho's hiring will be immediate.

I will say this in Mano Menezes favor, his teams usually are more offensive minded than Muricy Ramalho's.


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Posted: Jul 23 2010, 06:39 PM


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That is true Mano Menezes will be second guessed as the second choice but in nations like Brazil, Argentina, Italy, England, etc., the national team coach, no matter who he is, will always be second guessed. The upside is he coaches Brazil leading up to Brazil's own World Cup. The down side is he coaches Brazil leading up to Brazil's own World Cup! tongue.gif


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  Posted: Jul 24 2010, 08:57 AM


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To me, this sucks. I rather watch Mano Menezes lead Corinthians to another title. I guess I just have to remember the good times w/ him in charge of O Timão


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Posted: Jul 25 2010, 06:36 PM


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Mano Menezes is I think a good coach for Brazil, he has well balanced teams. Plus he is a calmer figure than coaches like Dunga, Muricy Ramalho or even Luiz Felipe Scolari who often get antagonistic with the press who then turn on the coach. MM is a less caustic individual and that trait should serve him well as national coach.

Here in Portuguese is an article which says the Corinthians team of the first half of 2009 can provide a good preview of how Mano Menezes Brazil team should play.

http://globoesporte.globo.com/platb/olhota...ra-mano-menezes

That was a well balanced team which was both tactically sound but also was good going forward.
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Posted: Jul 26 2010, 11:39 AM


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Nice article autogol. What is interesting about it, apart from relating how that Corinthians team from the first half of 2009, one which robdog I know absolutely loved watching, could serve as a good preview of how Brazil will play under Mano Menezes, is the writer mentions how MM had made Corinthians, a club which almost always is tumultous due to it's huge following and extensive media coverage, into a very calm place and that was due to the coach's own personality. That should help MM with his new job coaching Brazil.


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