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 World Cup 2010 General Discussion
Merengue
Posted: May 10 2010, 10:54 AM


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I am opening up our World Cup 2010 discussions and this thread will be where we can have our general discussions about the tournament. Any discussion of a nation's preliminary or final tournament roster should be in the discussion devoted to the group in which they will play.

So let the discussions begin!


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gaviota
Posted: May 10 2010, 02:43 PM


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Ok, I will start the discussion, one aspect which adds some uncertainty to this World Cup is that some of the host cities are at altitude. Now maybe they are not as high as Quito, Bogota or Mexico City, everybody knows they are not as high altitude as La Paz, Bolivia. but you would think the extra altitude could effect play a bit. Anybody know how many of the host citites in South Africa are at altitude, and what is their level?


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shelsoccer
Posted: May 12 2010, 07:40 AM


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Jo'burg is the highest at 1753 meters. Then comes Rustenburg (1500), Bloemfontein (1400), Polokwane (1310), Tshwane/Pretoria (1214) and Nelspruit (660). Port Elizabeth, Cape Town and Durban are all at sea level.
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Sammy Maudlin
Posted: May 12 2010, 11:34 AM


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QUOTE (shelsoccer @ May 12 2010, 07:40 AM)
Jo'burg is the highest at 1753 meters. Then comes Rustenburg (1500), Bloemfontein (1400), Polokwane (1310), Tshwane/Pretoria (1214) and Nelspruit (660). Port Elizabeth, Cape Town and Durban are all at sea level.

Or for those of us who are metric-phobic Johannesburg's altitude is 5751 feet. Slightly higher than Denver in the United States and much lower than Mexico City. Do you think altitude will really play a role in the team's performance? It did not seem to really effect them during the Confederations Cup last year.
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americafutbol10
Posted: May 12 2010, 09:21 PM


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QUOTE (shelsoccer @ May 12 2010, 07:40 AM)
Jo'burg is the highest at 1753 meters.  Then comes Rustenburg (1500), Bloemfontein (1400), Polokwane (1310), Tshwane/Pretoria (1214) and Nelspruit (660).  Port Elizabeth, Cape Town and Durban are all at sea level.

That's what worries me about the USA's draw. We'll be playing in Rustenburg, Jo'burg & Tshwane/Pretoria in the group stage...yet, the training camp is in Princeton, New Jersey & the final two friendlies are in Connecticut & Philly?

Why not take the team to Denver, Salt Lake City or Albuquerque in New Mexico...to acclimate the team with what they will face in South Africa dry.gif sad.gif


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Posted: May 12 2010, 09:31 PM


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QUOTE (americafutbol10 @ May 12 2010, 09:21 PM)
QUOTE (shelsoccer @ May 12 2010, 07:40 AM)
Jo'burg is the highest at 1753 meters.  Then comes Rustenburg (1500), Bloemfontein (1400), Polokwane (1310), Tshwane/Pretoria (1214) and Nelspruit (660).  Port Elizabeth, Cape Town and Durban are all at sea level.

That's what worries me about the USA's draw. We'll be playing in Rustenburg, Jo'burg & Tshwane/Pretoria in the group stage...yet, the training camp is in Princeton, New Jersey & the final two friendlies are in Connecticut & Philly?

Why not take the team to Denver, Salt Lake City or Albuquerque in New Mexico...to acclimate the team with what they will face in South Africa dry.gif sad.gif

Some teams will be training in Switzerland and Austria and I believe I read where France will also be training in the mountains to help acclimate themselves to the altitude.

I do not know if that is necessary or not. As Sammy pointed out did the altitude really effect last year's Confederations Cup? I do not think it did. It is like playing in Denver, Salt Lake or Guadalajara, if you are in shape and surely all of these teams' players will be then the altitude should not really effect them. This is not the same as playing in Bogota, Quito or Mexico City where the higher altitude does effect play.
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shelsoccer
Posted: May 13 2010, 06:26 AM


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I have to conclude that Bradley doesn't see it as an issue. I'm sure he'd train at altitude here if he thought it was going to be an issue. Plus, the team will train (and play Australia) at altitude for 10+ days before playing England. Anyone know if England, Slovenia or Algeria are training at altitude?
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Posted: May 13 2010, 09:01 AM


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England are playing Japan in Graz, Austria between Mexico at Wembley and the starting game with us. So, they are training in Austria. Interestingly, Graz is only about 1200 feet above sea level, certainly not Denver levels.

Slovenia have no more friendlies scheduled before the WC.

Algeria are playing Ireland and the Emirates before they start against Slovenia. I haven't found the locations though.
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Posted: May 13 2010, 12:37 PM


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I really had no idea where to put this, so Merengue feel free to shift it if it doesn't belong here.

This is a diverting trip down memory lane - Panini's completed Mexico 86 sticker album!

http://www.footballspotter.com/complete-pa...exico-86-album/
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MerlinTX
Posted: May 14 2010, 12:08 PM


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BTW, those posters were awesome. Thanks, Simon!
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Posted: May 14 2010, 04:09 PM


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QUOTE (Simon @ May 13 2010, 12:37 PM)
I really had no idea where to put this, so Merengue feel free to shift it if it doesn't belong here.

This is a diverting trip down memory lane - Panini's completed Mexico 86 sticker album!

http://www.footballspotter.com/complete-pa...exico-86-album/

Great stuff, funny to see some current managers and how they looked when they were young, especially note Carlo Ancelotti and a baby faced Javier Aguirre!
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Posted: May 15 2010, 04:38 PM


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QUOTE (Simon @ May 13 2010, 12:37 PM)
I really had no idea where to put this, so Merengue feel free to shift it if it doesn't belong here.

This is a diverting trip down memory lane - Panini's completed Mexico 86 sticker album!

http://www.footballspotter.com/complete-pa...exico-86-album/

Good work Simon, thanks for the trip back through time! Panini stickers were something as a kid I always looked forward to at World Cup time.

Take a look at Hungary's Peter Disztl and Antal Roth, they look like a pair of homeless guys!
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Merengue
Posted: May 16 2010, 08:22 AM


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QUOTE (shelsoccer @ May 12 2010, 07:40 AM)
Jo'burg is the highest at 1753 meters. Then comes Rustenburg (1500), Bloemfontein (1400), Polokwane (1310), Tshwane/Pretoria (1214) and Nelspruit (660). Port Elizabeth, Cape Town and Durban are all at sea level.

The other ambient issue which makes this World Cup differ from other recent ones is the weather. It will be winter in the southern hemisphere and that has not happened at a World Cup since 1978 in Argentina. Unfortunately that means we won't see too many bikini wearing Brasilian fans but you would think it should make for more energetic teams. I believe the sea level cities in South Africa should still be somewhat warm but the cities at elevation, particularly at night could be chilly. That should not adversely effect the players but for fans it may not be the most comofrtable.


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Posted: May 16 2010, 08:44 AM


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QUOTE (Merengue @ May 16 2010, 04:22 PM)
the cities at elevation, particularly at night could be chilly. That should not adversely effect the players but for fans it may not be the most comofrtable.

For real discomfort you need to have stood on the terraces at Turf Moor, home of Burnley, on a freezing day in March! The climate in South Africa should be more than welcoming in comparison!
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Posted: May 18 2010, 06:18 AM


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It astonishes me that I didn't notice this until yesterday, but here goes:

In the first week and a half of the group stage, the first matches of the day begin at 1:30pm local time (that's 7:30am EDT and 4:30am PDT). I can't remember a WC when the matches started so early--usually the three-a-day schedule is more like 3pm, 6pm, and 9pm.

Any guesses why the South African organizers did it their way? My best guess is that the sun goes down early at the start of the Southern Hemisphere winter, and they wanted to get as much action in natural light as they could (and also get as many fans home before dark as possible).

And my condolences to you West Coasters who may be getting up extra early next month.
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