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 Copa Libertadores 2013
enganche
Posted: Dec 22 2012, 12:24 AM


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The draw for the 2013 Copa Libertadores took place on Friday, 21 December and here it is,

Preliminary Round
Ganador 1: Tigre (ARG) vs. Anzoátegui (VEN)
Ganador 2:Gremio (BRA) vs. LDU (ECU)
Ganador 3: Deportes Tolima (COL) vs. César Vallejo (PER)
Ganador 4: Olimpia (PAR) vs. Defensor Sporting (URU)
Ganador 5: Sao Paulo (BRA) vs. Bolivar (BOL)
Ganador 6: Deportes Iquique (CHI) vs. León (MEX)

Group Stage
Grupo 1
-Barcelona (ECU)
-Nacional (URU)
-Boca Juniors (ARG)
-Toluca (MEX)

Grupo 2
-Sporting Cristal (PER)
-Libertad (PAR)
-Palmeiras (BRA)
-Ganador 1 (Tigre o Anzoátegui)

Grupo 3
-Arsenal (ARG)
-The Strongest (BOL)
-Atlético Mineiro (BRA)
-Ganador 5 (Sao Paulo o Bolivar)

Grupo 4
-Vélez (ARG)
-Peñarol (URU)
-Emelec (ECU)
-Ganador 6 (Deportes Iquique o León)

Grupo 5
-Corinthians (BRA)
-San José Oruro (BOL)
-Millonarios (COL)
-Tijuana (MEX)

Grupo 6
-Independiente Santa Fe (COL)
-Cerro Porteño (PAR)
-Real Garcilaso (PER)
-Ganador 3 (Deportes Tolima o César Vallejo)

Grupo 7
-Deportivo Lara (VEN)
-Universidad de Chile (CHI)
-Newell's Old Boys (ARG)
-Ganador 4 (Olimpia o Defensor Sporting)

Grupo 8
-Fluminense (BRA)
-Huachipato (CHI)
-Caracas FC (VEN)
-Ganador 2 (Gremio o LDU)

There is always a group of death and here it is Group 1, a very difficult group with Boca and Nacional of Uruguay, two traditional winners of the competition, plus Toluca of Mexico and Barcelona of Ecuador, a giant from that country which ahs been absent for years from the competition.

Group 4 also looks tough to me with Argentina's champion Velez plus Peñarol and Emelec, ironically the two traditional rivals of Nacional and Barcelona. If Leon of Mexico get through the prelim round they will make this group even more difficult.

I think dafyd and rosarino will be happy with Newell's draw in Group 7. A diminished U de Chile looks like their biggest rival there although Olimpia of Paraguay, if they get through the prelim rounds could also be a tricky opponent.

Group 3 also looks pretty difficult too, even more so if Sudamericana champions Sao Paulo advance from the preliminary round. There they'll join Atletico Mineiro and Ronaldinho and Arsenal of Argentina. ironically the weakest team in this group likely will be Bolivia's The Strongest! biggrin.gif

Newly crowned world club champions Corinthians got a pretty good draw. Their top two rivals will be Millonarios, in the altitude of Bogota, and Tijuana of Mexico, a long, long journey from Corinthians home of Sao Paulo. But Millonarios have not been in the Libertadores for many years while Tijuana will be making their tourney debut. But they are coached by Antonio Mohamed who was in charge of Independiente when they were Copa Sudamericana champions 3 years ago, he has then good tournament experience.


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rosarino
Posted: Dec 27 2012, 09:22 PM


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I am excited to see Newell's back in the Libertadores, it has been awhile, too long actually. About 3 years ago Newell's were in the preliminary round but did not make it to the group stage. If as expected Olimpia qualify, then the group with Newell's, U de Chile and Olimpia should be a pretty balanced group with any of the three capable of advancing. I do not know much about Deportivo Lara but with all due respect they should not be at the same level as the other three clubs in the group.

Overall though that should be one of the better groups along with, as enganche mentioned, Groups 1 and 4. And Group 2, especially if Tigre advance out of the prelim stage, should also be a competitive one with Sporting Cristal, Libertad and Palmeiras also in the group.

On the subject of the preliminary stages, Gremio-Liga de Quito and Olimpia-Defensor Sporting look like the two best matchups but I would pick Gremio and Olimpia as the favorites there.

Should be a good tournament, one without a clear cut favorite going into it. In the next month these clubs will be busy concluding player acquisitions for the competition, once that is complete, we will get a better read on these teams' tournament chances.
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El Profe
Posted: Dec 29 2012, 06:23 PM


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I pretty much agree with the pre tourney analysis of which are the most difficult groups which enganche and rosarino undertook but I too would caution about waiting until we know more on how each of these clubs will strengthen themselves for the Libertadores before making your final predictions for the preliminary and group stages.

On the topic of the preliminaries, watch out for that Olimpia-Defensor Sporting matchup, that should be a very evenly matches series. Do not downplay Defensor Sporting's chances, they are an experienced tournament team.
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enganche
Posted: Jan 21 2013, 01:52 PM


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The preliminary rounds start tomorrow, this is the schedule for the entire week of first leg matches, two games per day from Tuesday-Thursday, home team listed first:

22.01 Tigre (ARG) - Deportivo Anzoátegui (VEN)
22.01 León (MEX) - Deportes Iquique (CHI)
23.01 Liga de Quito (ECU) - Gremio (BRA)
23.01 Sao Paulo (BRA) - Bolívar (BOL)
24.01 Defensor Sporting (URU) - Olimpia (PAR)
24.01 Deportes Tolima (COL) - César Vallejo (PER)


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autogol
Posted: Jan 21 2013, 11:14 PM


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Liga de Quito-Gremio should be a fascinating two match series, Liga need to take advantage of the altitude of Quito in leg 1 this week before heading to Gremio's brand new, and beautiful new stadium for leg 2.
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Lalo
Posted: Jan 22 2013, 07:52 PM


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Tuesday's results:

Tigre 2-1 Deportivo Anzoategui
Leon 1-1 Deportes iquique

Both Tigre and Leon came from behind to pull out results at home with late goals. Still you have to like the chances for both visitors next week when they go on the road.
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Posted: Jan 23 2013, 06:17 PM


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Wednesday's results
Liga de Quito 1-0 Gremio
Sao Paulo 5-0 Bolivar

Sao Paulo are almost certainly advancing to the group stage after destroying Bolivar 5-0, Luis Fabiano scored twice and goalie Rogerio Ceni finished the scoring by converting a penalty. Sao Paulo will advance to a group with Atletico Mineiro, Arsenal and The Strongest, I think you will have to favor the two Brazilian clubs there.

Carlos Feraud with a 75th minute goal to give Liga a narrow win over Gremio. The Brazilians did not play poorly but feraud took advantage of a loose ball inside the box to score the game's only goal. But their series is far from over and in fact in Brazil I think Gremio will be the slight favorites to move on. Eduardo Vargas debuted as a 2nd half sub for Gremio, give him some time to adapt and he likely will be agreat addition to their team.


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  Posted: Jan 23 2013, 11:00 PM


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QUOTE (enganche @ Jan 23 2013, 07:17 PM)
Wednesday's results
Liga de Quito 1-0 Gremio
Sao Paulo 5-0 Bolivar

I to believe Gremio have an excellent chance of progressing. I feel sorry for Bolivar. I always root for Bolivian teams. I know they don't have the funds as the other sides in South America. It's always special when we see a Bolivian team do well in this competition.


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Posted: Jan 24 2013, 10:16 PM


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Sao Paulo looked very good, new signing Aloisio looks to be a good addition to the attack as a sort of replacement for Lucas Moura.

Thursday's results:
Defensor Sporting 0-0 Olimpia
Deportes Tolima 1-0 Cesar Vallejo

Not a bad away result for debutant Cesar Vallejo from Peru. And two time champions Olimpia did well away to Defensor Sporting.
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autogol
Posted: Jan 25 2013, 07:12 PM


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I agree rosarino about Aloisio at Sao Paulo, he does look like a good signing. And Lucio is fitting in at the back too. At 40 Rogerio Ceni is still solid in goal and can still score goals!
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rosarino
Posted: Jan 29 2013, 10:41 PM


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Tuesday's results, 2nd leg preliminary round
Anzoategui 0-3 Tigre (Tigre advance 5-1 overall)
Iquique 1-1 Leon (Iquique advance on penalties after 2-2 overall tie)

Tigre go to Veneuela and crush Anzoategui to advance to Group 2 with Sporting Cristal, Libertad and palmeiras, a group where I think Tigre have a chance to qualify out of.

Meanwhile Deportes iquique advance to the group stage after putting Leon of Mexico out on penalties. Iquique will join a pretty difficult Group 4 with Velez, Peñarol and Emelec.
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enganche
Posted: Feb 1 2013, 10:10 PM


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Wednesday's results
Bolivar 4-3 Sao Paulo (Sao Paulo advance 8-4 overall)
Gremio 1-0 Liga de Quito (1-1 tie, Gremio advance 5-4 on PKs)

Thursday's results
Olimpia 2-0 Defensor Sporting (Olimpia advance 2-0 overall)
Cesar Vallejo 1-1 Deportes Tolima (Tolima advance 2-1 overall)

The big matchup ended even after 180 minutes 1-1, and it took penalties to decide it. You kinda felt sorry for a pretty good Liga team, already out of the competition in late January but watch out for Gremio, who should only continue to improve as their new signings get acclimated.

So here is how each group will look:

Group Stage
Grupo 1
-Barcelona (ECU)
-Nacional (URU)
-Boca Juniors (ARG)
-Toluca (MEX)

Grupo 2
-Sporting Cristal (PER)
-Libertad (PAR)
-Palmeiras (BRA)
-Tigre (ARGi)

Grupo 3
-Arsenal (ARG)
-The Strongest (BOL)
-Atlético Mineiro (BRA)
-Sao Paulo (BRA)

Grupo 4
-Vélez (ARG)
-Peñarol (URU)
-Emelec (ECU)
-Deportes Iquique (CHI)

Grupo 5
-Corinthians (BRA)
-San José Oruro (BOL)
-Millonarios (COL)
-Tijuana (MEX)

Grupo 6
-Independiente Santa Fe (COL)
-Cerro Porteño (PAR)
-Real Garcilaso (PER)
-Deportes Tolima (COL)

Grupo 7
-Deportivo Lara (VEN)
-Universidad de Chile (CHI)
-Newell's Old Boys (ARG)
-Olimpia (PAR)

Grupo 8
-Fluminense (BRA)
-Huachipato (CHI)
-Caracas FC (VEN)
-Gremio (BRA)

The competition begins next week! Let the games begin.


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Posted: Feb 11 2013, 12:12 PM


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The group stage begins tomorrow, here is the calendar for this week:

Tuesday
Nacional-Barcelona
Emelec-Velez
Universidad de Chile-Lara

Wednesday
Boca-Toluca
Atletico Mineiro-Sao Paulo
Deportes Iquique-Peñarol
Real Garcilaso-Independiente Santa Fe
Caracas-Fluminense

Thursday
Palmeiras-Sporting Cristal
The Strongest-Arsenal
Deportes Tolima-Cerro Porteno
Newell's-Olimpia
Gremio-Huachipato

26 of the 32 clubs will play this week with several top notch matchups, including Nacional-Barcelona, Emelec-Velez, Boca-Toluca, Atletico Mineiro-Sao Paulo and Newell's-Olimpia.


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Lalo
Posted: Feb 11 2013, 05:47 PM


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Looking forward to seeing what El Loco Abreu and Chino Recoba can do for Nacional. If nothing else with those two, Nacional should win the "seniors" version of the Libertadores! laugh.gif

Come on Toluca! biggrin.gif
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Posted: Feb 11 2013, 06:11 PM


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Haha, yeah with Abreu and Recoba they could challenge for the senior Libertadores but Rogerio Ceni at Sao Paulo is even older than they both!

I am looking forward to this year's competition, there look like multiple strong teams capable of challenging for the title, Corinthians, Gremio, Sao Paulo, Fluminense, Velez, Boca and do not discount Nacional of Uruguay, Olimpia of Paraguay, Universidad de Chile or the Mexican clubs Toluca or Tijuana.
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