Title: Brasileirão 2012
Alexao - May 22, 2012 09:38 PM (GMT)
The new league season began last weekend in Brasil with 4 of the clubs (Santos, Corinthians, Vasco and Fluminense) minds firmly planted in the Copa Libertadores and thus they played mostly reserved filled teams. I would think each of those 4 along with Internacional and São Paulo have to be considered the favorites for the league title.
Sambafoot provides pretty good English language coverage of Brasilian football and here is their weekly review of round 1 play, including highlights of all the goals:http://www.sambafoot.com/en/news/31486_bra...o_round-up.html
Botafogo's German Herrera with 3 goals in their 4x2 win over São Paulo was probably the weekend highlight. Fluminense beat Corinthians 1x0 in a match of the last two league champions.
Alexao - May 22, 2012 09:55 PM (GMT)
enganche - May 30, 2012 12:20 AM (GMT)
Two games into the season and Botafogo, Vasco and Atletico Mineiro are the only clubs with perfect records. Coritiba and Corinthians the only two without points.
Two surprising signings, goalie Dida has signed to play for newly promoted Portuguesa. He is 38 and has not played since he left Milan in the summer of 2010!
Left back Fabio Aurelio, once of Valencia and Liverpool, has signed with Gremio.
Alexao - June 1, 2012 12:21 AM (GMT)
Pretty amazing news about Dida, I think everyone thought he was retired. He's going to a club where he should find playing time and if he recovers his old form then he should benefit Portuguesa.
The big news in Brasil, however, is Ronaldinho terminating his contract with Flamengo because of unpaid wages. Flamengo for their part were left holding the bag after Traffic pulle dout of their sponsorship agreement with the club which was to cover his wages. Traffic's reason for pulling out? Ronaldinho's unprofessionalism!
I wanted to give Ronaldinho the benefit of the doubt and was hoping he could lead Flamengo to glory but mostly he partied, when he did play he laid off some nice passes occasionally, hit a few good free kicks but mostly just strolled around the field of play. He was not worth the money and Flamengo can use that money better elsewhere.
robdog - June 2, 2012 12:02 AM (GMT)
Alexao, even though I haven't posted, I am enjoying your analysis. It is much appreciated
carioca - June 2, 2012 06:08 PM (GMT)
Thanks Alexao for keeping the thread alive in my absence. I am back now and ready to contribute. Good riddance to Ronaldinho. While Flamengo have been and probably always will be a mess organizationally, it was his lack of professionalism which i think led the club to witholding some of his wages. Plus his lackluster player was not attracting the sponsorships necessary to maintain a high salary.
Now please Mengao, do not compound your mistake by signing Adriano!
Martin - June 4, 2012 10:54 PM (GMT)
It looks like Atletico Mineiro, the longest suffering "big club" in Brazil (see our thread in the General Soccer Discussion about Big Clubs with Long Title Droughts), are about to engage in the folly of signing Ronaldinho! Not many beaches for him to hang out in though in Belo Horizonte!
Santista - June 6, 2012 12:25 AM (GMT)
No beaches but still plenty of nightclubs in Belo Horizonte. Ronaldinho will still have his fun. But how well will he play with Atletico MG? The signs from his recent play with Flamengo are not promising.
Pepe - June 23, 2012 03:35 AM (GMT)
A few topics recently from Brasilian club football:
1. Palmeiras will meet Coritiba in the Copa Brasil Final, Palmeiras got by Gremio in a matchup of two former Brasil national team coaches, Scolari versus Luxemburgo. Coritiba defeated Sao Paulo in the other semifinal.
2. Cicinho has signed for Sport Recife, his former Roma teammate Mancini will play for Bahia.
3. Corinthians and Santos have been playing reserve filled teams while they participate in the Libertadores, as a result neither are doing well at the start of league play, after 5 matches played Corinthians are in last place with only 1 point, Santos are not much better, in 17th place in the 20 team league with only 3 points. Of course Copa Brasil finalists Coritiba (6 points) andPpalmeiras (2) are not doing much beeetr either.
4. Vasco, Cruzeiro and Atletico Mineiro are 1,2,3 in the league with 13, 11 and 10 points respectively.
5. Nilmar has agreed personal terms but not yet signed with Internacional.
6. Denilson's loan at Sao Pauo has ended and he returns to Arsenal in England after a loan spell with more pain than glory.
Pepe - June 26, 2012 06:39 PM (GMT)
Cruzeiro took over first place after they beat Vasco 3-1, Walter Montillo was the inspiration behind Cruzeiro's victory.
Corinthians got their first win of the season even playing with reserves as they beat local rivals Palmeiras 2-1. Young attacker Romarinho (no relation to THE Romario) with both goals, one an excellent backheel much like Welbeck's goal for England against Sweden. A name to watch in the future for Corinthians.
carioca - June 30, 2012 03:27 AM (GMT)
Gremio sold their goalkeeper Victor to Atletico MG where he will now team up with Ronaldinho. Guess who Victor's new team plays this weekend? Yes, his old one Gremio!
Kleberson, the 2002 World Cup winner has signed with Bahia.
Merengue - July 1, 2012 05:49 AM (GMT)
Botafogo have announced they have signed Clarence Seedorf. he has a Brasilian wife and it was long rumored he would head there at the end of his career. But as he showed with Milan, he still has something to give a team and should be a good signing for Botafogo.
The Uruguayan press are reporting another big name could be coming to Brasil as Diego Forlan is close to signing with Internacional.
We are seeing the benefits of Brasil's improved economic position.
Going the other way, however, is Romulo, the Vasco midfielder who will likely be on Brasil's U23 Olympic Team, he heads to Spartak Moscow.
robdog - July 1, 2012 04:38 PM (GMT)
Man, those are some big names coming to Brasileirão. I always tell people to watch this league...Now I have more reasons why they should.
Alexao - July 2, 2012 02:40 AM (GMT)
These are excitig times in the Brasilian league, that is for sure. Cruzeiro lost this weekend 3x2 to Sao Paulo, who last week fired their coach Emerson Leao, a great former goalie but an arrogant ass as a coach. With the defeat Cruzeiro gave up first place in the league to city rivals Atletico Mineiro who won 1x0 away to Gremio. Yes Ronaldinho's new team are playing well, Jo with the only goal in their win today. Atletico MG also announced the signing of experienced defender Ceara who left PSG to return home. A good addition to a team which already features, in addition to Ronaldinho and Jo, centerback Rever, defensive midfielder Pierre and attacking midfielder Danilinho.
Corinthians league match was postponed to give them additional time to prepare for the Libertadores 2nd leg.
carioca - July 5, 2012 09:06 PM (GMT)
Botafogo are allowing Sebastian Abreu, German Herrera and Maicoseul to leave to help clear the way for Seedorf and his high wages to arrive. Botafogo have traditionally been the least successful of Rio's big four clubs but they have been winning praise for their signing of Seedorf. He is not here for a vacation, he's a very professional player and should be a good contributor to the team.
Alexao - July 6, 2012 04:26 AM (GMT)
Abreu has just signed with Figueirense.
Yes Botafogo, who have had problems paying salaries on time in the past, have had to let some players go in order to sign Seedorf. I was somewhat surprised he'd go to the Fogao, considering their relative lack of success in recent years but they seemingly offered him the most.
autogol - July 6, 2012 04:25 PM (GMT)
Today Internacional announced that Diego Forlan is going to their club. He's only 33 and still has plenty to give so this is no retirement party for him. Plus he wants to be in good form for the 2014 World Cup in Brazil. Internacional are one of the best run clubs in Brazil and every year sell at least one player to help finance additional player acquisitions. I'd expect one or possibly both of Leandro Damiao and Oscar to now be sold. As both will be with Brazil's Olympic squad they will be in the shop window for European clubs.
Santista - July 6, 2012 11:40 PM (GMT)
I'm excited to see Forlan play in the Brasileirao. He should add a lot to Internacional although I do agree with autogol, one or both of Leandro Damiao and Oscar likely will be sold. But there still is plenty of other talent there to go along with Forlan. Unlike Seedorf, Forlan is going to a top club.
With their attention on the Libertadores, Santos have had a terrible start to the season and soon they'll lose Neymar, Ganso and Rafael for a month for the Olympics. To add to this Santos also just sold forward Borges, who has had a disappointing 2012, to Cruzeiro and lost their other forward Alan Kardec whose loan has ended and he returns to Benfica. They've also acquired two lesser known players, midfielder Joao Pedro who was last with Penarol in Uruguay and midfielder Bruno Peres from Serie B team Guarani. Neither are players who make me want to jump for joy! But in losing both Borges and Alan Kardec, Santos needs some forwards and they need to sign some soon.
Alejandro Martinuccio has left Villarreal and is going to Cruzeiro. Martinuccio an Argentine attacking midfielder, was a key player in the Penarol team which were runnerup to Santos in the 2011 Libertadores.
Sao Paulo have a new coach, Ney Franco, the coach of Brasil's U20 world cup winners in 2011. They also have a new centerback Rafael Toloi who arrives from Goias.
Flamengo have signed Paraguayan midfielder Victor Caceres from Libertad while German Herrera, who we reviously discussed was sold by Botafogo, is going to Emirates Club in the UAE.
enganche - July 7, 2012 04:07 AM (GMT)
Seedorf is a big signing because of his name and because he is a European but Internacional's signing of Forlan is I think even bigger news because he is not on his last legs like Seedorf. Forlan is the captain of Uruguay, the current Copa America holders. To me this is a huge signing for Inter specifically but also for Brazilian football in general.
In talking about trimming some players to make room for Forlan, my club Independiente are negotiating with Internacional over the Argentine defensive midfielder Mario Bolatti, who if he leaves would mean one less foreign player at Internacional, thereby opening up a spot for Forlan. With Forlan, Jesus Datolo and Andres D'Alessandro Internacional will have a great trio of foreign players.
robdog - July 7, 2012 04:24 AM (GMT)
So Forlan has played w/ Inter Milan & now for Internacional..Freakin' awesome or his just likes that name ;) Remember he played for Independiente as well ;) I know I know it means Independent, but still sounds alike :P
Santista - July 9, 2012 02:44 AM (GMT)
Neither Seedorf nor Forlan played for their clubs this past weekend but they were present in their respective stadiums as their clubs won. ironically both Leandro Damiao and Oscar, the players we discussed could be sold to make way for Forlan, each scored for Internacional in what should be their final game ebfore heading off to the Olympics.
Ronaldinho had a pretty solid game as Atletico Mineiro kept winning, today they defeated Portuguesa 2x0. Dida with a mistake in goal on one of Atletico Mineiro's goals as Galo (the roosters) stay in first place for another week.
Fluminense stay 2nd after they beat Flamengo 1x0 in another edition of the Fla-Flu derby. Thiago Neves nicely set up Fred for the lone goal but that was one of the rare highlights in an otherwise typical feisty derby.
Vasco remain 3rd despite their 1x1 tie with Figueirense, Diego Souza with the Vasco goal. Loco Abreu did not play for his new club Figueirense.
In 4th place is Sao Paulo who defeated Coritiba 3x1 as Coritiba's mind is on the Copa Brasil Final after they lost last week in the first leg of the Cup Final 1x0 to Palmeiras.
Santos finally won a match, beating Gremio 4x2, Felipe Anderson, one of the youngsters who will play a big role while Neymar and Ganso are away on Olympc duty, scored twice and Neymar, who had his best game of the Brasileirao season, also scored. Gremio got two late goals to make the score somewhat respectable. Following the match the clubs were involved in a trade as Santos sent away unhappy, and lately the unproductive, midfielder Elano to Gremio, with the forward Ezequiel Miralles going the other way. Well at least Santos has an experienced forward now. I have always liked Elano but the bottom line he is just not producing for Santos, hopefully a change of locale will help him.
Corinthians, still using subs even after their Libertadores win, could only draw this weekend 1x1 as Sport scored a late goal to tie the new South American champions who are 19th in the 20 team Brasilian league!
Merengue - July 9, 2012 03:10 AM (GMT)
Elano was having an excellent World Cup until he was injured in one of Brasil's group games and missed the rest of the tourney, including their quarterfinal loss to the Netherlands, but he has not seemed the same player since. Any explanations for this?
autogol - July 9, 2012 03:00 PM (GMT)
There was some talk about a year ago that Elano was having a high profile affair with a woman who was not his wife and that these "personal problems" were effecting his play but now that he is no longer with either his now ex wife or the girlfriend his play has not changed for the better.
I am happy to see Sao Paulo doing well, especially after they fired the miserable Emerson Leao as coach!
carioca - July 12, 2012 06:15 PM (GMT)
Felipao, Luis Felipe Scolari, has his first title since winning the 2002 World Cup as Brasil's coach, last night his Palmeiras club became the champions of the Copa do Brasil after they drew 1x1 in Coritiba. Last week Palmeiras had won 2x0 at home. The 2nd year in a row where Coritiba lost the Copa do Brasil final playing the 2nd leg at home, last year they lost on away goals against Vasco.
Ayrton, with a nice free kick had put Coritiba in front but Betinho headed in a Marcos Assuncao free kick to tie the game and give palmeiras the title, the club's first major title since winning the 1999 Copa Libertadores. 13 years is a long time for a club of Palmeiras prestige to go without a title.
We discussed Seedorf and Forlan moving to Brasil in the European off season, looks like another big name player will be arriving soon too. Peru's forward Paolo Guerrero, currenty with Hamburg, is undergoing a medical at Corinthians. He'd be a big addition and give Timao what they have lacked, a consistent center forward.
robdog - July 12, 2012 06:23 PM (GMT)
|QUOTE (carioca @ Jul 12 2012, 11:15 AM)|
| Felipao, Luis Felipe Scolari, has his first title since winning the 2002 World Cup as Brasil's coach, last night his Palmeiras club became the champions of the Copa do Brasil after they drew 1x1 in Coritiba. Last week Palmeiras had won 2x0 at home. The 2nd year in a row where Coritiba lost the Copa do Brasil final playing the 2nd leg at home, last year they lost on away goals against Vasco. |
I have always rated Felipao, Luis Felipe Scolari as an excellent coach & IMHO got a raw deal w/ CFC. True he wanted to shake things up there, but wasn't allowed to. One can see by the way he is working w/ Palmeiras if he is allowed control the results will come. BTW carioca, Felipão led Bunyodkor to become Champions in 2009
carioca - July 12, 2012 06:33 PM (GMT)
Haha, thanks for that reminder, I guess I have not been keeping up with the Uzbek league! :D
I agree with you Felipao is still a good coach but his reputation had been damaged by his inability in recent years to get much out of his teams. But to their credit Palmeiras have stuck by him and now they have this Copa do Brasil title and a spot in next year's Libertadores. Now let us see what he can do with Palmeiras in the Brasileirao. Currently they are 18th in the league, just ahead of rivals Corinthians on goal difference, and are a full 14 points behind leaders Atletico Mineiro. Of course there still are 30 rounds of play remaining and Palmeiras, like Corinthians, were often using reserves, whil resting their starters for other competitions, the Libertadores for Corinthians, the Copa do Brasil for Palmeiras.
Flamengo are offering a big contract to Diego, the playmaker who Wolfsburgo loaned out last year to Atletico Madrid. The club see him as the big name signing they need to attract more sponsors and to help provide passes to Wagner Love. I think Diego, however, wants to remain in Europe.
autogol - July 12, 2012 09:49 PM (GMT)
Signing Paolo Guerrero would be huge news for Corinthians, Guerrero can play and is far from being over the hill, in fact he is in his prime. Apparently his fellow Peruvian, and reserve midfielder for Corinthians, Luis Ramirez played a big role in convincing him to sign with the club.
Alexao - July 14, 2012 03:14 AM (GMT)
Damn, I don't like the idea of Paolo Guerrero at Corinthians. He will make them a better team. They also say they are keeping both Paulinho and Ralf, the heart of their midfield.
I am not optimistic about Flamengo acquiring Diego, Wolfsburg don't want to loan him, they want to sell him and Flamengo does not have the money to buy him and then pay him a big contract.
rosarino - July 16, 2012 06:20 PM (GMT)
Paolo Guerrero and now Juan Manuel Martinez, a forward from Velez in Argentina, Corinthians are strengthening their team well.
Martinez has played some games for Argentina and would have played more except for the fact there are guys named Messi, Aguero, Higuain and Lavezzi also available for selection!
Santista - July 21, 2012 03:19 AM (GMT)
And the inevitable coaching changes continue, Paulo Roberto Falcao is out at Bahia replaced by Caio Junior, while Dorival Junior was replaced as Internacional's coach by Fernandao, until pretty recently a player at the club.
On the topic of Internacional, it looks like they are selling oscar to Chelsea in England. Of course Oscar is currently busy with Brasil's Olympic team, but a good player and the player internacional are sacrificing in order to accomodate the purchases of Forlan and Juan.
Martin - July 21, 2012 03:44 AM (GMT)
Wow a new coach in the Brazilian league-Fernandao! Good to see a club bring in somebody new rather than just recycling an old coach who has been around the league for years coaching a new team every year or two
Falcao seems another in the long line of good players who just neve became successful as a coach.
Alexao - July 21, 2012 08:44 PM (GMT)
Falcao was a good TV analyst, he should return to that world and leave the coaching behind.A list of the players who have come into the Brasilian league since the opening of the transfer window.
Some notable transfers into the country which we had not previously discussed:
Rafael Marques a forward from Omiya Ardija (Japan) to Botafogo
Nicolas Lodeiro, Uruguayan international midfielder from Ajax to Botafogo
Obinna, forward from Shandong (China) to Palmeiras
Hugo, midfielder from Al Wahda (UAE) to Sport
Paulo Assuncao, midfielder from Atletico Madrid to Sao Paulo
Wendel, a midfielder from Al Shabab (UAE) to Vasco
Sandro Silva, midfielder from Malaga to Cruzeiro
Fabio Aurelio, fullback from Liverpool to Gremio
Cicinho, fullback from Roma to Sport
Sergio Escudero, centerback from Argentinos Jrs. to Coritiba
So far the major departures have been Vasco's Romulo, currently on the Olympic team, going to Spartak Moscow and Corinthians defender Leandro castan headed to Roma. It appears Oscar's transfer to Chelsea from Internacional will be completed post Olympics and Vasco's Diego Souza and fullback Fagner both also are on the market now according to the club.
Alexao - July 24, 2012 02:59 AM (GMT)
After Flamengo lost this past weekend to Cruzeiro, the club fired manager Joel Santana, no big surprise there. No replacement has yet been named but Dorival Junior who was fired last week by Internacional is a leading contender. Fernandao, the new Inter coach won in his coaching debut, he just retired as an active player a season ago. 11 of 38 rounds have been played and there have already been 6 of the 20 clubs making coaching changes! Oh the stable world of a Brasilian club football coach!
Atletico Mineiro are playing pretty well and lead the league still. Apparently being paid on time has Ronaldinho playing well, and keep an eye out for Bernard, Atletico MG's teenaged starlet.
Seedorf made his league debut for Botafogo in a home match versus Gremio but thanks to a Marcelo Moreno goal Gremio won 1x0. No word yet on when Forlan debuts for Internacional.
Last post I talked about Diego Souza and Fagner being sold by vasco, well it has happened, Diego Souza to a Saudi club, Fagner to Wolfsburg in Germany.
Martin - July 26, 2012 03:29 AM (GMT)
Bernard is an interesting player, he's only 5'4" but is having a great season so far. You wonder though if he will be too small to be effective as more teams get to know him better.
So Dorival Junior gets recycled and is the new Flamengo coach. That is why Internacional's appointment of Fernandao was so refreshing, at least he's a guy whose never coached in the league before. Some fresh ideas are always needed in any league.
carioca - August 3, 2012 09:00 PM (GMT)
No arguments from me about the mistake in reusing the same coaches over and over again. Fernandao's appointment at Internacional at least breaks this cycle.
The Engenhao stadium's grass is having trouble at this time of the year supporting multiple games per week so regular home team there Botafogo is getting preference. Flamengo and Fluminense, who only are playing there while the Maracana is being refurbished, get short changed. This weekend's Flamengo x Atletico Mineiro game plus several others by both Fla and Flu in the next few weeks, will be moved to future dates. Too bad as many were looking forward to seeing Flamengo face Ronaldinho and first place Atletico MG this weekend.
So with Atletico MG having the weekend off, 2nd place Vasco could overtake them if they defeat Corinthians. Won't be easy though as Timaoa re playing better now that they are only focusing on league play. By the way Leidson is leaving Corinthians and will sign with Flamengo. He lost his starting job at Corinthians even before Guerrero and Martinez were signed so no surprise he was available and Flamengo are always desperate for another forward.
Pepe - August 17, 2012 08:55 PM (GMT)
Wednesday night Neymar played with Brasil as they won 3-0 over sweden in Stockholm. On Thursday night Neymar was in the lineup, missed an incredibly easy chance but followed that up with a goalzo as Santos won 3-1 against Figueirense in Florianapolis, in the south of Brasil! Some travelling the young man has been taking lately. Santos win moves them up to midtable. Corinthians, after their sow start are even above them in 9th place and are ahead of Flamengo now.
But Atletico MG, with a revived Ronaldinho and great performances from Jo and Bernard too, still lead with 39 points from 16 games, one less than the majority of clubs have played. Fluminense with 36, Vasco on 35, Gremio 31 and Internacional with 30 follow them in the table. After good starts both cruzeiro and Sao Paulo have been slipping a bit and now are 12 and 14 points behind Atletico MG.
raconteur - August 20, 2012 07:27 PM (GMT)
Ronaldinho and Atletico Mineiro remain top in Brazil
they defeated Botafogo 3-2 in a matchup between Ronaldinho and his former AC Milan teammate Clarence Seedorf. Fluminense remain 2nd after beating Sport Recife 1-0. Vagner Love scored as Flamengo won their derby 1-0 over Vasco and Santos defeated Corinthians 3-2 in their derby with Andre Felipe scoring twice.
Alexao - August 24, 2012 03:32 PM (GMT)
Vagner Love has been playing pretty well for Flamengo and it always is pleasurable beating Vasco, even more so when they are near the league leaders. Flamengo went out and signed Adriano to a pay as you play contract. I am against it as he has not proven he can stay fit and even now he won't be ready to play for another month but the club felt they don't have much to lose under the circumstances of the pay as you play contract. We'll see.
Pepe - August 26, 2012 04:07 AM (GMT)
Adriano won't see the field for awhile, Flamengo can hold on to their money a little longer!
Neymar with 2 goals as Santos beat Palmeiras 2-1. Thiago neves with both Fluminense goals as they won their clasico over Vasco. That is 2 clasicos lost in 2 weeks for Vasco.
carioca - September 1, 2012 11:10 PM (GMT)
Been on vacation so was not able to post here recently but I am back and ready to gte this thread going again!
Flamengo released striker Deivid, he has just not been productive and with Vagner Love and Leidson around the club just do not need him. Rumors are Deivid will end up at Coritiba, we shall see.
Atletico MG are still in 1st place and with a game in hand but Fluminense have been playing well and are only a point behind them. Flu are winning today and would at least temporarily take over 1st place. Fred is having a good season. Time I think for Mano Menezes to put him back on the national team.
Atletico MG visits Corinthians on Sunday in what should be quite a matchup. That and Inter x Flamengo look the pick of this weekend's matches.
Ronaldinho leaves Flamengo and starts playing well again! I guess getting paid on time and the lesser amount of night life in Belo Horizonte are having their effect on him! Look at this nice goal he scored last week in the 2x2 tie with city rivals Cruzeiro.
Last weekend was clasico day in Brasil, apart from the tie in the Mineiro derby, Sao Paulo beat Corinthians 2x1, with 2 goals by Luis Fabiano, Santos beat Palmeiras 3x0 in the other Paulista derby, Gremio, having a good season, beat Internaciobal 1x0 in their derby, Flamengo and Botafogo played out a 0x0 draw while Fluminense, as Pepe wrote above, beat Vasco 2x1 in their clasico.