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vince stravino - October 17, 2011 05:14 AM (GMT)
The US and France will tangle at Stade de France in Paris on this FIFA open date on November 11, 2011. This is the first match between the countries since 1978 and will be only the third meeting ever between the two countries.

The game will be 9pm kick-off local time which makes it 3pm EST. ESPN 2 (and ESPN 3) will broadcast the match live.

ursus arctos - October 17, 2011 10:00 PM (GMT)
Brings back memories of a Platini-inspired French side wiping the floor with the US at Giants Stadium in 1979. Final score 6-0, and it could easily have been more.

Note the low attendance:

QUOTE
02/05/1979, East Rutherford, Giants Stadium, 20,591
USA 0-6 FRANCE [HT 0-4]
Scorers: Bernard Lacombe 8' (0-1), Bernard Lacombe 14' (0-2), Bernard Lacombe 37'
(0-3), Don Droege 42'OG (0-4), Loic Amisse 61' (0-5), Didier Six 73' (0-6)

USA: Arnold Mausser (David Brcic 46'), Jim Pollihan, Glenn Myernick, Don Droege,
Colin Fowles (Tony Crudo 8'), Larry Hulcer, Rick Davis, Boris Bandov (Perry van der
Beck 32'), Angelo di Bernardo, Greg Villa, Mark Liveric (Louie Nanchoff 75')
FRA: Dominique Dropsy (André Rey 46'), Gérard Janvion, Raymond Domenech, Marius Trésor, Maxime Bossis (Patrick Battiston 80'), Jean Petit, Michel Platini, Roger
Jouve (Jean-Francois Larios 71'), Olivier Rouyer (Didier Six 46'), Bernard Lacombe
(Marc Berdoll 65'), Loic Amisse

robdog - October 17, 2011 10:10 PM (GMT)
Funny, just the other day I was thinking that we haven't played France in a freakin' while. Let's hope we don't repeat that 6-0 drubbing.

libero - October 17, 2011 11:16 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (ursus arctos @ Oct 17 2011, 02:00 PM)
Brings back memories of a Platini-inspired French side wiping the floor with the US at Giants Stadium in 1979. Final score 6-0, and it could easily have been more.

Note the low attendance:

QUOTE
02/05/1979, East Rutherford, Giants Stadium, 20,591
USA 0-6 FRANCE [HT 0-4]
Scorers: Bernard Lacombe 8' (0-1), Bernard Lacombe 14' (0-2), Bernard Lacombe 37'
(0-3), Don Droege 42'OG (0-4), Loic Amisse 61' (0-5), Didier Six 73' (0-6)

USA: Arnold Mausser (David Brcic 46'), Jim Pollihan, Glenn Myernick, Don Droege,
Colin Fowles (Tony Crudo 8'), Larry Hulcer, Rick Davis, Boris Bandov (Perry van der
Beck 32'), Angelo di Bernardo, Greg Villa, Mark Liveric (Louie Nanchoff 75')
FRA: Dominique Dropsy (André Rey 46'), Gérard Janvion, Raymond Domenech, Marius Trésor, Maxime Bossis (Patrick Battiston 80'), Jean Petit, Michel Platini, Roger
Jouve (Jean-Francois Larios 71'), Olivier Rouyer (Didier Six 46'), Bernard Lacombe
(Marc Berdoll 65'), Loic Amisse

Thanks for the trip down memory lane. I remember reading about that game (two weeks later!) in Soccer America.

Look who was in France's team, besides Platini and Bernard Lacombe. Playing defense was none other than Raymond Domenech!

And the US team with a couple of greatly named players like Boris Bandov and Tony Crudo! I remember Crudo and his last name was a good description of how he played!

Back to this year's match, this will be Klinsmann's best test yet.

hobbes - October 17, 2011 11:35 PM (GMT)
I remember reading a Sports Illustrated article about that match and AIR one of the French players chipped the ball over his American defender's head, ran around him and played it again before it hit the ground.

And here it is. Bless the SI Vault:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/art...94929/index.htm

cheers,
hobbes

Johnbuildr - October 18, 2011 01:14 PM (GMT)
Gee, thanks a lot for the memories guys! :(

The only names I recognize from that US roster are Ricky Davis and Glen Myernick. Myernick was of course still coaching on the US team in 2002 WC and not sure for how long after that as the US U-23's head coach.

Thankfully, beat downs of the '79 sort are a thing of the distant past for the US soccer team. We may not be a world top ten team but we are not anyone's door mat any longer.

To put it mildly, I would like to see JK concentrate a little more on coaching for the win and a little less on wholesale substituting/player evaluation for this one.

shelsoccer - October 18, 2011 02:54 PM (GMT)
As an NASL junkie, I recognize all the names in the US lineup, though I'm stretching a little to remember Jim Pollihan.

Four of those players were St. Louis guys -- Brcic, Droege, Hulcer and Villa. (Was van der Beck also from St. Louis?) Villa never made much of an impact in the NASL, but he was something of an oddity for his time (and still would be I suppose).

He was built like an NFL linebacker, about 6-5, 240 lbs. I remember an SI article about qualifying for, I believe, the 1980 Olympics when Villa was literally running over and through smaller Central American defenders, scoring goals left and right. If that was indeed during qualifying for the 1980 Olympics, the US qualified but, of course, did not play in Moscow due to Jimmy Carter's boycott.

ursus arctos - October 18, 2011 04:53 PM (GMT)
Perry van der Beck was indeed a St. Louis kid (Florissant) and played the "Rick Davis" role of "over-hyped American superstar" for Tampa Bay Rowdies. I don't think he even went to college.

I should remember Villa, but don't, perhaps because he moved among a number of NASL teams.

While I recognize all of the US team, I know more about the French guys, many of whom were established internationals (though you need have read a lot of France Football to recall either Jouve or Berdoll), and all of whom struggled at first with Giants Stadium's old school artificial turf.

raconteur - October 18, 2011 05:15 PM (GMT)
Many thanks for the lineups from that 1979 game and the old SI article. Check out this quote in it from Bernard Lacombe,

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"We came to play serious soccer. We were very impressed by the conditioning and strength of the Americans. Now all they need is technique."


Sounds familiar doesn't it?

And that is Klinsmann's job to try and change it, if he can.

There definitely was a St Louis base to that team and perhaps the best St Louis player of that era, Ty Keough, missed the game, according to the SI article, due to injury.

Speaking of players who were labeled as the "future American star", there was Angelo DiBernardo, a star at Indiana Univ. who like most of the US players of that era was a NASL journeyman.

Johnbuildr - October 18, 2011 08:44 PM (GMT)
<<..QUOTE
"We came to play serious soccer. We were very impressed by the conditioning and strength of the Americans. Now all they need is technique."

Sounds familiar doesn't it?.....>>

I guess so, but US soccer has matured to the point where I now bristle a little at that age old slam on the US in this day and age.

The US admittedly doesn't have the depth in level of skills of the top ten in the world (to draw an imaginary line in the sand I say 'top ten'.)
But the US level of skill and technique and passing is sooo improved over the last ten years that the national team has been quite capable of playing the kind of soccer that kept Mexico on its heals for nearly a decade, like it did while advancing first out of its WC group and playing so well in the Confederations Cup that I am tired of hearing about that old rap over and over.

Winslow - October 18, 2011 09:37 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (libero @ Oct 17 2011, 03:16 PM)
Look who was in France's team, besides Platini and Bernard Lacombe. Playing defense was none other than Raymond Domenech!

And the US team with a couple of greatly named players like Boris Bandov and Tony Crudo! I remember Crudo and his last name was a good description of how he played!

The name that caught my eye was Dominique Dropsy. Helluva name for a keeper, huh?

It's a little harsh to call DiBernardo a journeyman IMO, as he was a significant role player for the Cosmos at the tail end of their glory years.

I have one of those milestone birthdays next month, and would seriously consider going to Paris for this match if my daughter's birthday party wasn't on that same weekend.

Nkono - October 21, 2011 01:07 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (ursus arctos @ Oct 18 2011, 08:53 AM)
While I recognize all of the US team, I know more about the French guys, many of whom were established internationals (though you need have read a lot of France Football to recall either Jouve or Berdoll), and all of whom struggled at first with Giants Stadium's old school artificial turf.

Marius Tresor, one of my first footballing heros. A wonderful defender. France's team back in the late 70s through the 80s were so much fun to watch. Every player had great technique and for a defender Tresor was a great combination of strength and skill.

ursus, I too was not familiar with Jouve, Berdoll and backup goalie Rey. The rest of the team who played the US back in 1979 were well known internationals.

I am very curious to see how the US will do at the Stade de France. Klinsmann will need to find somebody to score some goals if they are to have any chance in the game. A good warmup for the US and for France, a chance to play a solid, well organized team which will make you work. Plus an opponent who they (France) usually do not get to face.

robdog - October 21, 2011 05:47 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Nkono @ Oct 20 2011, 06:07 PM)
I am very curious to see how the US will do at the Stade de France. Klinsmann will need to find somebody to score some goals if they are to have any chance in the game.

I would gladly take a 0-0 draw. No shame in that.

Sammy Maudlin - October 21, 2011 06:46 AM (GMT)
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The name that caught my eye was Dominique Dropsy. Helluva name for a keeper, huh?


Classic, the best name I have ever heard for a goalkeeper! :lol:

I guess that 1979 team was pre Giresse and Rocheteau but Platini was there, and according to the linked SI article from their archives the then 22 year old put on a show. A sign of things to come from a player who i thought became one of the game's all time greats.

ursus arctos - October 24, 2011 08:16 PM (GMT)
The FFF is already offering two for one prices for this match.

Martin - October 24, 2011 11:18 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (ursus arctos @ Oct 24 2011, 12:16 PM)
The FFF is already offering two for one prices for this match.

Wow, so much for the US' drawing power in Europe!

I remember when France had Dropsy, Bats and Rust as goalies!

Johnbuildr - October 25, 2011 02:40 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Martin @ Oct 24 2011, 05:18 PM)
QUOTE (ursus arctos @ Oct 24 2011, 12:16 PM)
The FFF is already offering two for one prices for this match.

Wow, so much for the US' drawing power in Europe!

I remember when France had Dropsy, Bats and Rust as goalies!

Well, that 2 for 1 deal seems pretty odd to me, no matter who the friendly is with??!! Do French fans really care that little about seeing their NT play a friendly that they won't half fill a stadium?
Even more weird when the US is the intended "victim" as there are few teams after Germany and England who most Frenchmen would rather beat than the US. Very odd. :blink:

ursus arctos - October 25, 2011 07:59 PM (GMT)
John, I think you have some misperceptions about French "football culture".

The majority of French supporters still aren't over the "mutiny" in South Africa, and the team has yet to win back their trust (Blanc admitted this at his press conference after they qualify for the Euros). The FFF is trying to fill the ground for a meaningless friendly on a holiday (when many of their "regulars" will be out of town), and I tend to think that they know what they need to do in order for that to happen.

The same supporters really couldn't care less about the US. The US simply isn't relevant to the French football mindset, and anti-Americanism in general is not what it once was (particularly among the people who go to the SdF).

vince stravino - October 26, 2011 04:45 AM (GMT)
Hey, the US Fed should consider this approach for some friendlies. Outside the blockbuster Mexico, England, Brazil or Argentina, our home attendance is pitiful. We don't even sell out most WC qualifiers, although this has improved with more attention to venues by the Fed.

I once witnessed US-South Africa at RFK less than a decade ago with under 5,000 present. You could hear the players fart.

Johnbuildr - October 26, 2011 04:43 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (ursus arctos @ Oct 25 2011, 01:59 PM)
John, I think you have some misperceptions about French "football culture".

The majority of French supporters still aren't over the "mutiny" in South Africa, and the team has yet to win back their trust (Blanc admitted this at his press conference after they qualify for the Euros). The FFF is trying to fill the ground for a meaningless friendly on a holiday (when many of their "regulars" will be out of town), and I tend to think that they know what they need to do in order for that to happen.

The same supporters really couldn't care less about the US. The US simply isn't relevant to the French football mindset, and anti-Americanism in general is not what it once was (particularly among the people who go to the SdF).

Ok, thanks, u.a. I will take your word for it.
What I described would have been quite accurate a very few years ago. They would have flocked to a hoped for US ass kicking in any sport from soccer to skiing and ski jumping.

robdog - November 1, 2011 12:13 AM (GMT)
Well we saw the battle of two potential CB's this past weekend when red bull's Tim Ream host galaxy Omar Gonzalez. I must say that Gonzalez impressed me more of the two, but now there is a rumor that El Tri will be going for the young CB services :o I hope this is not true & Jurgie calls Senor Gonzalez to the USNMT soon.

raconteur - November 3, 2011 07:43 PM (GMT)
Juergen Klinsmann’s selections for the U.S. men’s national team friendlies at France on Nov. 11 (3 p.m. ET, ESPN2, Univision, ESPN3.com) and Slovenia on Nov. 15 (noon ET, ESPN2, Galavision, ESPN3.com):

Goalkeepers: Tim Howard (Everton), Bill Hamid (D.C. United).

Defenders: Carlos Bocanegra (Rangers), Oguchi Onyewu (Sporting Lisbon), Timmy Chandler (Nuremberg), Steve Cherundolo (Hanover), Clarence Goodson (Brondby), Alfredo Morales (Hertha Berlin), Michael Orozco Fiscal (San Luis).

Midfielders: DaMarcus Beasley (Puebla), Kyle Beckerman (Real Salt Lake), Michael Bradley (Chievo), Clint Dempsey (Fulham), Maurice Edu (Rangers), Fabian Johnson (Hoffenheim), Jermaine Jones (Schalke), Robbie Rogers (Columbus Crew), Brek Shea (FC Dallas), Danny Williams (Hoffenheim).

Forwards: Jozy Altidore (AZ Alkmaar), Edson Buddle (Ingolstadt), Landon Donovan (Los Angeles Galaxy).


*If Real Salt Lake or Los Angeles advances to MLS Cup on Nov. 20, Beckerman or Donovan will return to their respective club after the France friendly.

Who is Alfredo Morales you might ask (I sure did)?

Alfredo Morales (born 12 May 1990) is a German-American-Peruvian soccer player, currently playing for Hertha BSC. 6 ft tall he has only played a handful of games for Hertha Berlin.

After our debate about MLS players who may not be selected for the game due to the MLS Cup, we see both Donvan and Beckerman, whose teams are still alive, being selected but they will be released by the national team following the France game to prepare for the MLS Cup.

Fabian Johnson gets the chance to see his first minutes with the US after he missed last month's games with injury. And there are returns to the team for both Jermaine Jones and Robbie Rogers.

Still no natural left back meaning Chandler likely will see action there again.

Notable absentees: Ream, Spector, Agudelo and Kljestan.

Martin - November 3, 2011 08:02 PM (GMT)
According to football-lineups.com Morales can play either as a centerback or defensive midfielder. His appearances for Hertha Berlin this season have all been as a substitute but he has also started for Hertha's B team in the Regionalliga Nord, a regionalized 4th division.

He is a young guy but does not seem worthy of a national team callup until he gets more experience. I believe, however, Klinsmann is calling him in to show him what a US training camp is all about and to try and stave off Peru who also have expressed interest in selecting him.

Both of the Hoffenheim midfielders, Johnson and Williams are capable of playing just about anywhere in midfield. They should give Klinsmann a lot of options.

Might we finally see Donovan and Dempsey playing together for the first time under the new coach?

rosarino - November 3, 2011 10:22 PM (GMT)
So Morales is a German born player whose parents are Peruvian. Somewhere there is a US connection, I am guessing the parents must now be US citizens?

I am surprised Morales was not brought into the U23 camp taking place in Germany but instead will be with the senior team in France and Slovenia. Well Klinsmann will get his chance to evaluate this kid and it gets Morales into the US setup.

I also am a little surprised Herculez Gomez good goalscoring streak did not earn him a selection.

But the main points from this group that I draw out are the possibility of finally pairing Donovan & Dempsey, continuing Onyewu's comeback, giving Chandler more opportunities to develop into a left back and learning if Johnson & Williams can contribute to the team and where best to play them.

Yogi - November 3, 2011 11:15 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (rosarino @ Nov 3 2011, 02:22 PM)
But the main points from this group that I draw out are the possibility of finally pairing Donovan & Dempsey, continuing Onyewu's comeback, giving Chandler more opportunities to develop into a left back and learning if Johnson & Williams can contribute to the team and where best to play them.

Very well put rosarino. We can wonder why this player or that was included or not but the bottom line is this is still a team in formation and Klinsmann has some intriguing things to review in these two games, including the the factors you just listed.

Roosevelt - November 3, 2011 11:31 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Martin @ Nov 3 2011, 03:02 PM)
According to football-lineups.com Morales can play either as a centerback or defensive midfielder.  His appearances for Hertha Berlin this season have all been as a substitute but he has also started for Hertha's B team in the Regionalliga Nord, a regionalized 4th division.

He is a young guy but does not seem worthy of a national team callup until he gets more experience.  I believe, however, Klinsmann is calling him in to show him what a US training camp is all about and to try and stave off Peru who also have expressed interest in selecting him.

Both of the Hoffenheim midfielders, Johnson and Williams are capable of playing just about anywhere in midfield.  They should give Klinsmann a lot of options.

Might we finally see Donovan and Dempsey playing together for the first time under the new coach?

I know they're just early-in-the-cycle friendlies and I try not to be too much of a roster nitpicker, but I have to say, my reaction on reading about Morales (who may be a fantastic prospect) is that just I sure hope he can be an international caliber centerback, because about the last thing JK needs to be doing is looking at yet another potential d-mid candidate. Criminy, that may be the one position where the Nats could be described as having a talent glut, but no roster actually requires seven of them.

I guess I'm disagreeing with Martin here (not a comfortable thing for me to do!) you no doubt see nuances that are lost on me, but I feel like Beckerman, Edu, Bradley, Jones, Johnson and Williams, while all having their strengths and weakness, are roughly the same kind of player. (Admittedly not having seen much of the last two.) I only see room for two on the field, max, at the same time. (An aside: I must admit I don't 'get' the continuing belief JK seems to have in Robbie Rogers. Or, frankly, to some degree, how Rogers earned it in the first place.)

It will be nice to see the US' only two genuinely dangerous players (IMHO, Shea isn't quite there yet) on the field at the same time again, at the very least against France. Though I'm afraid patience will have to be my friend this cycle...

robdog - November 4, 2011 12:56 AM (GMT)
Donovan, but no Gonzalez??? Also what about John??? I take it JK doesn't like big, strong CB's :huh:

QUOTE (rosarino @ Nov 3 2011, 03:22 PM)
I also am a little surprised Herculez Gomez good goalscoring streak did not earn him a selection.


Yeah. Also what about Bunbury??? It's not like our other strikers are finding the back of the net.

Manzanares - November 4, 2011 02:29 AM (GMT)
Klinsmann says Morales also can play right back,

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“We are excited to introduce Alfredo Morales to the U.S. team. I have spoken with his coach at Hertha Berlin and he is full of compliments. He is on the way to being a starter there, and he can play as either a No. 6 (defensive midfielder) or as a right back,” said Klinsmann.


http://sports.yahoo.com/soccer/news?slug=reu-ussquad

But the football lineups site Martin referenced lists him as a centerback/defensive midfielder.

Rufus T. Firefly - November 4, 2011 06:24 AM (GMT)
QUOTE
I guess I'm disagreeing with Martin here (not a comfortable thing for me to do!) you no doubt see nuances that are lost on me, but I feel like Beckerman, Edu, Bradley, Jones, Johnson and Williams, while all having their strengths and weakness, are roughly the same kind of player. (Admittedly not having seen much of the last two.) I only see room for two on the field, max, at the same time. (An aside: I must admit I don't 'get' the continuing belief JK seems to have in Robbie Rogers. Or, frankly, to some degree, how Rogers earned it in the first place.)


I agree with you about all but the two players from Hoffenheim, Williams and Johnson who can each play either on the wing or in central midfield. Thus they are different than the other players who you rightly point out are defensive minded central midfielders and the US will have to pick no more than two of them to play at one time. But Williams and Johnson can go out wide, Williams, as he did last month, wide right, while Johnson supposedly can play on either wing.

Roosevelt - November 4, 2011 07:21 PM (GMT)
Klinnsmann is willing to play/has played Williams as a wide MF, but just based on what I've read, that doesn't appear to be his preferred/natural position, not that that's an absolute barrier or anything. Johnson may indeed be a bit more versatile than I had initially understood him to be, but hopefully he can show some of what he has to offer over the next two matches. Interesting about Morales as RB, between 'Dolo, Lichaj, Chandler (when he;s not at LB) and now him, a bit of cushion is emerging there. Good deal.

Martin - November 4, 2011 08:02 PM (GMT)
Roosevelt, my point was similar to Rufus', Williams and Johnson both can also play on the wings and that adds to the options available to Klinsmann in midfield. It is true the other midfielders you named are central players and I too agree at best only 2 will need to be used. Johnson apaprently can play either wing or centrally with being used on the right his preferred position at his club. Williams we already saw is a pretty decent right wing but at Hoffenheim he typically plays defensive midfield. I am curious to see how Klinsmann will try and integrate these two players into the team.

As for Morales, yes another right back and it seems, like defensive midfield, that appears to be a talent rich position on the US squad. But as I noted from football-lineups.com, Morales often plays as a centerback at his club.

TonyDE - November 4, 2011 11:42 PM (GMT)
There certainly is a log jam in central midfield, look at all the different options just on this roster and that is with Holden and Torres injured and Clark, Kljestan and Feilhaber not selected.

The more I read about Morales' selection, the more I think his inclusion was meant to get him with the US before Peru could call him in. An example of Klinsmann's German connections giving him a heads up of possible Peruvian interest in the player.

autogol - November 6, 2011 04:04 AM (GMT)
QUOTE
The more I read about Morales' selection, the more I think his inclusion was meant to get him with the US before Peru could call him in. An example of Klinsmann's German connections giving him a heads up of possible Peruvian interest in the player.


Peru are currently playing World Cup qualifiers but next spring they will have some friendlies and their coach was/is planning on calling Morales in so yes, this was Klinsmann's peremptive strike to bring Morales to the US first.

libero - November 8, 2011 03:08 AM (GMT)
Not surprisingly Landon Donovan has pulled out of the US' friendly vs France in order to get ready for MLS Cup. No replacement has been named.

Merengue - November 8, 2011 08:59 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (libero @ Nov 7 2011, 07:08 PM)
Not surprisingly Landon Donovan has pulled out of the US' friendly vs France in order to get ready for MLS Cup. No replacement has been named.

Klinsmann did not sound too happy about Donovan's decision but said he would respect the player's wishes. Another opportunity lost at pairing Donovan and Dempsey but you can also I think understand the player not wanting to travel to Paris and back in the lead in to the MLS title game.

vince stravino - November 9, 2011 12:07 AM (GMT)
At this point in his career, Donovan gains more from a MLS Championship than a meaningless friendly in a half full, ambivalent stadium in Paris. He has been a warrior for the MNT for a decade and has made professional compromises, in the past, to be a leader for the US. If Klinsmann has a problem with Donovan's decision, then he does not understand the American psyche on this matter.

This avalanche of German-based players with American eligibility being called into camp is unsettling to me. With rare exceptions like Dooley, Stewart (Regis to a small extent?), this approach has not been sustainable in its effectiveness.

Let's see how it plays out.

rosarino - November 9, 2011 06:40 AM (GMT)
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This avalanche of German-based players with American eligibility being called into camp is unsettling to me. With rare exceptions like Dooley, Stewart (Regis to a small extent?), this approach has not been sustainable in its effectiveness.


Well how many dual nationality players have the US had in its modern era (post 1990 World Cup)? Besides the ones you named, who else is there? Michael Mason and David Wagner are all I can think of. But I would take getting two mainstays of the US team like Dooley and Stewart, and another decent contributor like Regis, out of the process.

Onslow - November 9, 2011 04:53 PM (GMT)
The Guardian has a piece on Jurgen Klinsmann's time as US coach and what has been learned during his first five games in charge. I thought the US fans here might be interested in this article:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/20...france-slovenia

These are the 5 "lessons" the article points out have been learned so far,

1. Progress not Miracles
2. Bradley didn't miss any hidden gems in US player pool
3. Klinsmann has stabilized the defense
4. No Bornstein but still no real left back
5. Possession and tempo the basics of an emerging style

Merengue - November 10, 2011 10:14 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (rosarino @ Nov 8 2011, 10:40 PM)
QUOTE
This avalanche of German-based players with American eligibility being called into camp is unsettling to me. With rare exceptions like Dooley, Stewart (Regis to a small extent?), this approach has not been sustainable in its effectiveness.


Well how many dual nationality players have the US had in its modern era (post 1990 World Cup)? Besides the ones you named, who else is there? Michael Mason and David Wagner are all I can think of. But I would take getting two mainstays of the US team like Dooley and Stewart, and another decent contributor like Regis, out of the process.

I am with rosarino on this, for every Mason, Wagner or Edgar Castillo, there have been a Dooley, Stewart or Jose Torres. That is a pretty good average in producing productive players for the national team.

An article on Fabian Johnson, who was a member of Germany's excellent 2009 U21 European championship team, alongside stars like Ozil , Neuer and Khedira,

Fabian Johnson set for US debut.

I was drawn to this quote from Klinsmann,

QUOTE
Fabian is interesting,” Klinsmann said. “He has a special vision. He can play a killer ball, which is rare. He’s a player who can do most everything on the ball. I see him as a connecting forward, but he has the ability to help on the right side of midfield or in the back, which is a nice thing to have.”


A very versatile player but note how the coach really sees him as a 2nd forward more than anything else. I would expect, however, that we will see Johnson playing on the right for the US tomorrow versus France. But he sounds like an intriguing player.

Thanks Onslow for the link. The article essentially states much of what we have been discussing in various discussions in this forum but puts it all together in one location.

Yogi - November 11, 2011 05:14 AM (GMT)
I am curious to see if Johnson plays tomorrow, and if he does, where he will be used. It does sound like he is a good passer which is encouraging. I looked up where he played with Germany's U21 team in 2009 and he started both the semifinal and final of that tourney, which Germany won, at right side midfield. If we see him against France, that would be a good guess as to where he will play.




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