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shelsoccer - February 10, 2010 04:49 PM (GMT)
Qualifying draw for Euro '12 was held a couple of days ago:

A -- Germany, Turkey, Austria, Belgium, Kazakhstan, Azerbijan
B -- Russia, Slovakia, Ireland, Macedonia, Armenia, Andorra
C -- Italy, Serbia, N. Ireland, Slovenia, Estonia, Faroe Is.
D -- France, Romania, Bosnia-Herzegovina, Belarus, Albania, Luxembourg
E -- Netherlands, Sweden, Finland, Hungary, Moldova, San Marino
F -- Croatia, Greece, Israel, Latvia, Georgia, Malta
G -- England, Switzerland, Bulgaria, Wales, Montenegro
H -- Portugal, Denmark, Norway, Cyrpus, Iceland
I -- Spain, Czech Republic, Scotland, Lithuania, Liechtenstein
(Poland and Ukraine qualify automatically as co-hosts.)

Nine group winners and best second-place team qualify directly. The other eight runners-up go to a playoff.

Discounting the distribution of minnows, there are some pretty balanced and tough groups here. With the possible exception of Group E, I can see at least three legitimate challengers in all the other groups and some with four interesting contenders (e.g., Group A). Top to bottom, Group H may be the toughest but you also have to look at Group C with three World Cup qualifiers.

Merengue - February 10, 2010 05:21 PM (GMT)
I agree with you shelsoccer, there are some pretty balanced groups in this draw and with this being the last 16 team European championship it probably will be the last interesting European qualifying competition. Imagine with 3 teams qualifying from each group, that would take away practically all of the intrigue. UEFA should consider that in coming up with the format for future Euro qualifiers.

Back to this draw, no great rivalries were created in it but I am sure Finland-Sweden, England-Wales and Germany-Austria will ignite local passions, at least in the eyes of fans of the underdogs there. Germany may find themselves playing on neutral ground when they face Turkey in Germany due to the large Turkish population there.

Group C looks to the most difficult to me. Whomever replaces Marcello Lippi as the Azzurri coach won't have any easy time of it.

Yogi - July 20, 2010 06:23 PM (GMT)
Ribery and possibly Benzema and Govou are in trouble as their underage sex scandal seems to be escalating,

Ribery In Trouble

I think after all that has happened Laurent Blanc might be wise to start with a cleen slate and callup almost an entirely new team for France's August friendly, their last game before Euro 2012 qualifying begins. Blanc can later recall some of the 2010 World Cup veterans who he thinks would be appropriate.

Yogi - July 23, 2010 07:40 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Yogi @ Jul 20 2010, 10:23 AM)
I think after all that has happened Laurent Blanc might be wise to start with a cleen slate and callup almost an entirely new team for France's August friendly, their last game before Euro 2012 qualifying begins. Blanc can later recall some of the 2010 World Cup veterans who he thinks would be appropriate.

Apparently Laurent Blanc is listening to my advice!

http://sports.yahoo.com/soccer/news?slug=ap-france-blanc

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France coach Laurent Blanc will drop all 23 World Cup players for his first match next month as collective punishment for the team’s embarrassing fiasco in South Africa.

The French federation said Friday in a statement it had granted Blanc permission to suspend the players at the coach’s request.


What is the world coming to when France's coach is taking advice from an Italy fan! :D


ursus arctos - July 23, 2010 08:45 PM (GMT)
If only Lippi would have done the same, Yogi.

Blanc's strategem also takes Ribery out of the picture for another couple of months while his court case continues (I would be shocked if Benzema gets picked for Norway).

And if Frey doesn't start under these cirumstances, I take back everything good I've ever said about Blanc!

Merengue - July 23, 2010 09:25 PM (GMT)
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And if Frey doesn't start under these cirumstances, I take back everything good I've ever said about Blanc!


Even we non Violas recognize the great injustice it is leaving Frey out of the team.

I suspect, as Yogi postulated in his first post, that soon some of the World Cup players will return but with their legal troubles it may be some time before Ribery and Benzema come back. And a boycott leader like Evra may now be persona non grata with the national team.

Don Balon - August 26, 2010 08:20 PM (GMT)
Still no Sebastien Frey with France but here is Laurent Blanc's squad to play in Euro 2012 qualifying early next month,

Goalkeepers: Hugo Lloris (Lyon), Cedric Carrasso (Bordeaux), Steve Mandanda (Marseille)

Defenders: Gael Clichy (Arsenal), Philippe Mexes (AS Roma), Adil Rami (Lille), Bacary Sagna (Arsenal), Mamadou Sakho (Paris Saint-Germain), Benoit Tremoulinas (Bordeaux)

Midfielders: Abou Diaby (Arsenal), Alou Diarra (Bordeaux), Lassana Diarra (Real Madrid), Yann Mvila (Rennes), Florent Malouda (Chelsea), Jeremy Menez (AS Roma), Mathieu Valbuena (Marseille)

Forwards: Karim Benzema (Real Madrid), Kevin Gameiro (Lorient), Guillaume Hoarau (Paris Saint-Germain), Loic Remy (Marseille), Louis Saha (Everton)

9 of the 23 players were on the World Cup team. Blanc was unable to call on Chelsea forward Nicolas Anelka, Manchester United defender Patrice Evra, Bayern Munich winger Franck Ribery, and Lyon defender Jeremy Toulalan, who were suspended by the French Football Federation for their involvement in a World Cup mutiny.



Merengue - September 2, 2010 10:37 PM (GMT)
I think benzema injured his ankle in training and might have dropped out of France's team. Blanc has his work cut out for him.

Portugal's anti doping agency has suspended Carlos Queiroz for 6 months for attemting to disrupt a pre World Cup drug test!

http://sports.yahoo.com/soccer/news?slug=a...ueirozsuspended

The irony is none of the players tested positive for performance enhacing drugs, Queiroz was just upset at the timing, thinking it was interrumpting his team's preparations.

So now Portugal are debating whether to retain Queiroz or look for a new coach. One of their options if they do get rid of Queiroz is none other than Euro 2008 winner Luis Aragones!

ursus arctos - September 2, 2010 10:40 PM (GMT)
Luis Aragones and Cristiano Ronaldo?

It's comedy gold, Jerry.

Mr. Pither - September 3, 2010 04:19 PM (GMT)
I wonder what Portugal will do with Queiroz now that he has been suspended? they play 4 of their 8 Euro 2012 qualifiers before his suspension ends, beginning tonight at home vs Cyprus. Next Tuesday they play at Norway while next month they are home to Denmark and away to Iceland.

I am guessing they are using his top assistant to coach the team tonight and on Tuesday but missing half of the scheduled qualifiers is not something to simply dismiss as, "we will manage until he gets back."

Not surprisingly Bert van Marwijk named his son in law as Netherlands captain now that Giovanni van Bronkhorst is retired. The Dutch play San Marino so they have little to worry about and interestingly Ruud van Nistelrooy's good start to the season in Hamburg combined with Robin van Persie's injury has brought him a recall to the Oranje. It is not certain if van Nistelrooy or Huntelaar will start at centre forward. Robben of course is injured and heitinga is suspended from his World Cup Final sending off. Ron Vlaar will fill in for Heitinga with Eljero Elia likely standing in for Robben. The rest of the team should be the same which line dup against Spain on 11 July in Johannesburg.

Interesting game tonight between Belgium and Germany too. Probably the best looking match on paper to be played today. Michael Ballack has regained the captaincy of the Mannschaft by the way.

Sammy Maudlin - September 3, 2010 08:52 PM (GMT)
Jermain Defoe has scored a hat trick in England's 4-0 win over Bulgaria. He and Rooney linked up quite well. The English defense looked a little vulnerable when Bulgaria ran at them as Dawson and Jagielka were the makeshift central defenders but overall England looked pretty good against a mediocre Bulgaria.

Maybe it was not Domenech's fault after all? France 0 Belarus 1!

Portugal and Cyprus are 2-2 at the half. Portugal's once solid defense has looked suspect tonight but offensively Portugal, even without Ronaldo has alot of options and are showing it tonight without the constraints of Queiroz' overly defensive tactics.

Yogi - September 4, 2010 02:48 AM (GMT)
Portugal-Cyprus ended up 4-4! Cyprus twice led in the first half while Portugal twice led in the second half with Cyprus tying the game up for the final time in the 89th minute.

I will write more about Italy in the Azzurri thread but I thought Italy were fortunate to beat Estonia 2-1 in Estonia. The Estonians took the elad when 3rd choice goalie Sirigu pushed away a strong shot right into the path of an Estonian who knocke din the rebound. In the 2nd half Italy scored twice within 3 minutes each time off a corner kick, the first headed in by an unmarked Antonio Cassano the 2nd when Cassano backheeled a low near post corner to defender Bonucci who knocke dit in. A very sloppy game for Italy but Cassano at least stepped up when needed and made two plays to win the game. That was something which was misisng from the World Cup squad.

I do not know what to say about France losing at home to Belarus. That was Belarus they were playing not Serbia, Uruguay or Denmark. For those in the US, ESPN Deportes will show a replay of the game on Saturday so you can see the french train wreck for yourself.

Alexao - September 4, 2010 04:02 AM (GMT)
What happened to Portugal's defense? When Scolari was their coach they had as good of a defense as any national team in the world. In the last World Cup their defense was somewhat vulnerable which is why Queiroz played so defensively. Now they try and open it up a bit and got it for four goals! They have too good of players in defense and midfield to be permitting 4 goals at home to Cyprus.

Don Balon - September 4, 2010 09:04 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Alexao @ Sep 4 2010, 05:02 AM)
What happened to Portugal's defense? When Scolari was their coach they had as good of a defense as any national team in the world. In the last World Cup their defense was somewhat vulnerable which is why Queiroz played so defensively. Now they try and open it up a bit and got it for four goals! They have too good of players in defense and midfield to be permitting 4 goals at home to Cyprus.

Neither Pepe nor Mendes, both of whom played pretty well in the World Cup sitting right in front of the back four, played against Cyprus. That partially explains their defence problems but only does so partially. Just sounds like a bad game from a Portugal team still in a bit of shock that Queiroz was suspended for so long. They better snap out of it with a potentially difficult trip to Norway coming up on Tuesday.

Simon - September 4, 2010 10:51 AM (GMT)
England played really well last night, but it's hard to get TOO enthusiastic about it. We qualified in great style for the World Cup and look what happened there. It's at least arguable that a couple of the teams we played at the WC were weaker than Ukraine and Croatia, who were in our qualifying group last time out.

England are a good team with some great players, but our World Cup was just surreal. Maybe there's a parallel universe out there in which England played with energy, attacking verve and goals in South Africa? :rolleyes:

Merengue - September 4, 2010 05:08 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Merengue @ Sep 2 2010, 02:37 PM)
I think benzema injured his ankle in training and might have dropped out of France's team.  Blanc has his work cut out for him. 

Portugal's anti doping agency has suspended Carlos Queiroz for 6 months for attemting to disrupt a pre World Cup drug test!

http://sports.yahoo.com/soccer/news?slug=a...ueirozsuspended

The irony is none of the players tested positive for performance enhacing drugs,  Queiroz was just upset at the timing, thinking it was interrumpting his team's preparations.

So now Portugal are debating whether to retain Queiroz or look for  a new coach.  One of their options if they do get rid of Queiroz is none other than Euro 2008 winner Luis Aragones!

I found this article on Queiroz' suspension,

http://www.wsc.co.uk/content/view/5736/38/

Apparently he wa sinitially suspende dby the Portuguese federation for one month but it was the anti doping agency which came back with the more stringent penalty of 6 months. This article however speculates that the federation's initial one month suspension was their way to nudge Queiroz out the door without paying him compensation. Possible, but if so you would have expected them to have alonger suspension, one long enough to keep him away from all of this fall's qualifiers. It is possible though that they knew the anti doping agency would do just that and let them have the dirth hands in all of this.

Giving up 4 goals to Cyprus at home is inexcusable though. It is pretty evident Queiroz' assistant was not getting his message across to the players. I think it is time the lusos make a coaching change.

I am about to watch a replay of the French "train wreck" as Yogi so aptly described it.

I have also merged the Post World Cup UEFA discussion with the Euro 2012 qualifying discussion since they are essentially the same topic.

Onslow - September 5, 2010 07:51 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Simon @ Sep 4 2010, 02:51 AM)
England played really well last night, but it's hard to get TOO enthusiastic about it. We qualified in great style for the World Cup and look what happened there. It's at least arguable that a couple of the teams we played at the WC were weaker than Ukraine and Croatia, who were in our qualifying group last time out.

England are a good team with some great players, but our World Cup was just surreal. Maybe there's a parallel universe out there in which England played with energy, attacking verve and goals in South Africa? :rolleyes:

We sure have been down this road before which is why all England fans are very cautious despite the easy win over Bulgaria. This Tuesday's match at Switzerland should be a much better test to evaluate where Capello's England are post World Cup. Two things are certain after this Bulgaria match, one is Joe Hart is England's #1 keeper and the other is that Jermain Defoe needs to start alongside Rooney in England's atatck. But the way the team functioned also make sme think that with a healthy gerrard, Lampard is not needed and in fact clogs up the midfield as it usually end sup pushing gerrard out wide and that is not his best position. England operates best with one or the other of Gerrard or lampard, not both and the midfield functions better when, as versus Bulgaria, there are true wid eplayers, in that game Milner and first Walcott, later Andy Johnson.

Good match on Friday between Germany and Belgium in Brussels. Germany won it 1-0 with a Miroslav Klose goal. And Germany played without Ballack which maybe explains why they did well! ;)

Don Balon - September 6, 2010 03:59 PM (GMT)
I do not know Merengue about the Portuguese federation using the pretext of this suspension as a way to terminate Queiroz' contract without paying him compensation. Seems to me if that was what they intended they would have announced immediately after his suspension by the anti doping agency that he was terminated. I think they are hoping his assistant Agostinho Oliveira can manage through these four games this fall then Queiroz will return. Carvalho and Bruno Alves are each good defenders, they just had a nightmare of a game. i do not expect that will happen a second time in a week. Look on the optimistc side for Portugal, they always complain about their lack of scoring, well they at leats scored 4 times last Friday!

Don Balon - September 7, 2010 09:05 PM (GMT)
If there was a time to look for a new Portugal coach it would be now, Norway 1-0 Portugal, another mistake by goalie Eduardo, who was excellent in the World Cup but shaky in both of this week's games.

France rebounded with a 2-0 win over Bosnia, a team who made the World Cup qualifying playoffs. It helepd having Benzema, somebody who cana ctually score goals, in the lineup.

Czech Repubic are in free fall, they lost 1-0 at home to Lithuania. They are a far cry from the team who probably were the best in Europe at Euro 2004

Simon - September 7, 2010 09:16 PM (GMT)
Honourable mention to Scotland, who for an unnervingly long time were either at 0-0 or, worse still, 0-1 at home to Liechtenstein! The 37,000 crowd at Hampden tonight is comfortably higher than the population of that little country!

Scotland's blushes were spared with two late goals to secure a 2-1 win, the second came seven minutes into added time! By all accounts Scotland were the better team, but that's hardly the issue is it?

Yogi - September 8, 2010 01:36 AM (GMT)
7 minutes of added time for Scotland? Was Sean Connery the referee? ;)

Yes France spared themselves additional blushe sbut Portugal did not, I am not sure what goalkeeper error was worse, Eduardo getting caught in possession by Carew creating Norway's lone goal or Pepe Reina slipping gifting Carlos Tevez Argentina's 3rd. I am thinking Eduardo's because Reina's was an unfortunate slip, Eduardo's was a combo of a poor first touch and being slow to recover and clear the ball away.

England were helped by Lichsteiner of Switzerland's red card when it was 1-0 for England but still a 3-1 win away to Switzerland is a damn good result, not many teams go to Switzerland and win. Andy Johnson looks increasingly impressive on the right of midfield for England.

rosarino - September 9, 2010 05:26 AM (GMT)
http://sports.yahoo.com/soccer/news?slug=reu-europortugal

It is possible Carlos Queiroz could be sacked on Thursday, and even some of Portugal's players are speaking out on how the limbo the team currently are in is negatively effecting them.

QUOTE
“On the pitch we try to concentrate, but sometimes this dark cloud affects us,” midfielder Tiago said referring to the ban.

“The soap opera has to be resolved. It’s not just the fans who want it settled, the whole of Portugal wants it,” he added.

Queiroz has said he will appeal the ban, taking his case to the Court of Arbitration for Sport, but a meeting of the Portuguese Football Federation’s (FPF) board on Thursday could lead to his sacking, according to media reports.



Merengue - September 9, 2010 07:06 PM (GMT)
Queiroz is gone,

http://sports.yahoo.com/soccer/news?slug=r...z_urgent_pix_tv

Perhaps ursus will get his comedy wish of Luis Aragones teaming up with Cristiano Ronaldo?

raconteur - September 20, 2010 06:50 PM (GMT)
With Real Madrid rejecting portugal's wish to name Jose Mourinho as interim coach for the remaining two games this calendar year, it looks like it will be Paulo Bento taking over as Portugal's new coach.

Hector - September 22, 2010 07:15 AM (GMT)
Isn't Paulo Bento known as a defencive minded coach? Not exactly what Portugal needs now.

Lothar Matthaus is Bulgaria's new coach. Another great ex player who has become a wandering coach.

Sammy Maudlin - October 8, 2010 09:28 PM (GMT)
Portugal are currently 2-0 up at home vs Denmark so Paulo Bento is pressing the right buttons so far on his debut.

Germany crushes Turkey 3-0 in Berlin, Ozil was booed by the numerous Turks in the crowd but played a good game and scored as Germany pressured Turkey from the start. And Miroslav Klose, with 0 goals in the league for Bayern, has scored his 5th goal for Germany since the World Cup ended! Maybe Bayern needs to wear Germany uniforms occasionally to help Klose out? :lol:

Russia went 3-0 up against the Republic of Ireland before emerging 3-2 winners in Dublin, Italy played a 0-0 tie at Northern Ireland, Estonia shocked Serbia 3-1 in Belgrade, Holland beat Moldova 1-0 with a Huntelaar goal and Montenegro upset Switzerland 1-0 in other scores today.

Mr. Pither - October 9, 2010 06:51 AM (GMT)
Both of Klose's goals were poacher's goals, the first heading in a rebound of Thomas Mueller's header off the bar, the 2nd taking advantage of Turkey's goalie Volkan Demirel's poor clearance which went right to Klose. But all eyes were on Ozil in this match and he came through with a high quality performance. Good nerves and skill shown by the young man who really does strike you as a star in the making.

Nani scored twice in 2 minutes in the first half then after a Ricardo Carvalho own goal brought Denmark back into the game, Nani set Cristiano Ronaldo up for the game winner. 3-1 for Portugal and suddenly they have life once again in the group.

Don Balon - October 9, 2010 07:35 AM (GMT)
An unexpectedly comfortable win for Germany over Turkey, a match of beaten semifinalists from the 2010 World Cup and Euro 2008. Ozil really fits in well to Germany's system of play.

Paulo Bento made two changes to the starting team and each paid off for Portugal. One was playing Joao Pereira at right back. The other newcomer to the starting team was playmaker Carlos Martins who ran the team well from his central position. Far from a perfect beginning to Paulo Bento's coaching career but an excellent start in a game portugal had to win.

Spain by the way defeated Lithuania 3-1. Two goals by Fernando Llorente.

Merengue - October 11, 2010 07:08 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Sammy Maudlin @ Oct 8 2010, 01:28 PM)
Germany crushes Turkey 3-0 in Berlin, Ozil was booed by the numerous Turks in the crowd but played  a good game and scored as Germany pressured Turkey from the start.  And Miroslav Klose, with 0 goals in the league for Bayern, has scored his 5th goal for Germany since the World Cup ended!  Maybe Bayern needs to wear Germany uniforms occasionally to help Klose out?  :lol:


:lol: That is a potential solution to Klose's Bayern scoring drought. Amazing how different a player he is with country as compared to club.

Ozil really is a dynamic player. Germany have not had a player like he in midfield in a very long time.

France left it late but beat Romania 2-0 on Saturday. Subs Remy, Gourcuff and payet all played a big part in the win but Blanc's France appear to be finding itself and plays a pretty quick passing game, something which has been missing from Les Bleus play for some time.

Manzanares - October 11, 2010 04:56 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Don Balon @ Oct 8 2010, 11:35 PM)
An unexpectedly comfortable win for Germany over Turkey, a match of beaten semifinalists from the 2010 World Cup and Euro 2008. Ozil really fits in well to Germany's system of play.

Paulo Bento made two changes to the starting team and each paid off for Portugal. One was playing Joao Pereira at right back. The other newcomer to the starting team was playmaker Carlos Martins who ran the team well from his central position. Far from a perfect beginning to Paulo Bento's coaching career but an excellent start in a game portugal had to win.

Spain by the way defeated Lithuania 3-1. Two goals by Fernando Llorente.

Paul Bento played with some and coached some others who were in Portugal's lineup over the weekend. That knowledge of the players I think paid off. It also helped that he moved Pepe back from midfield to his more comfortable central defensive role and brought Raul Meirelles in to play in front of the defense. With Nani and Ronaldo running around Hugo Almeida and with carlos Martins as the playmaker there is offensive ability on this Portuguese team and they demonstarted that against Denmark. Now they travel to play at Iceland in what could eb atricky away game in difficult conditions. many other national teams have struggle din Reykjavik.

Onslow - October 12, 2010 06:51 AM (GMT)
Who would have exected tonight's England-Montenegro match would be for first place in their group? After beating Switzerland over the weekend it is Montenegro topping the group able. Evidently they are more than just Mirko Vucinic.

Interesting isn't it how a different former Yugoslav republic seems to rise in each European qualifying competition? Speaks to the quality of footballers in the former Yugoslavian republics.

Sammy Maudlin - October 12, 2010 03:42 PM (GMT)
There are only 600,000 people in Montenegro which makes their start to this group even more surprising. In 2010 World Cup qualifying Montenegro finished 5th in their group behind Italy, Ireland, Bulgaria and Cyprus. Curiously Bulgaria are in their group again for these Euro 2012 qualifiers. The former Croatia coach Zlatko Kranjcar, the father of Tottenham's Nico Krankcar, has taking over the team and seemingly transformed them. Will be interesting to see how well they can do vs England. The pressure should be off them as nobody expects them to take any points away from Wembley.

Don Balon - October 12, 2010 05:10 PM (GMT)
Any country which can produce a player like Dejan Savicevic is capable of producing further talents. Montengero's start is surprising and refreshing but it still is only after 3 games played. I think England brings them back to earth today.

Some other interesting games tonight,

Sweden-Netherlands
Italy-Serbia
Scotland-Spain

raconteur - October 12, 2010 05:13 PM (GMT)
Azerbaijan have already upset Turkey today 1-0. Turkey's 2nd loss this week in qualifying. After failing to get Russia to World Cup 2010 and now two straight losses with Turkey, maybe the luster is wearing off of Guus Hiddink?

Yogi - October 12, 2010 08:15 PM (GMT)
Serbian ultras caused havoc in Genoa today both before and during the Italy-Serbia game and the match has now been stopped as the Serbian "fans" were throwing things onto the field. I am wondering if the match will be awarded to Italy because of the Serbian crowd disturbances?

Interesting news about Turkey and Hiddink. He's been working his magic elsewhere but no question his recent results, first with Russia and now Turkey have not been too successful.


Hector - October 12, 2010 09:32 PM (GMT)
Sad to read that crowd troubles still exist in international football. Sounds to me Yogi if Serbia's fans were responsible for the postponement then Serbia could forfeit the match.

Montenegro may be no fluke after all, they held England to a 0-0 draw at Wembley!

Impressive 4-1 win for Netherlands over Sweden.

Mr. Pither - October 12, 2010 10:16 PM (GMT)
The last incident like this I recall was a Denmark-Sweden Euro 2008 qualifier when a fan of one of the two nations ran onto the field and attacked a player (I am forgetting now if it was a Swede or a Dane, I am thinking it was a Dane) and the other team was awarded a 3-0 victory. I suspect the same will happen here with Italy being awarded a 3-0 win by forfeit.

raconteur - October 13, 2010 04:55 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Yogi @ Oct 12 2010, 12:15 PM)
Serbian ultras caused havoc in Genoa today both before and during the Italy-Serbia game and the match has now been stopped as the Serbian "fans" were throwing things onto the field.  I am wondering if the match will be awarded to Italy because of the Serbian crowd disturbances?

Interesting news about Turkey and Hiddink.  He's been working his magic elsewhere but no question his recent results, first with Russia and now Turkey have not been too successful.

I believe Pither is right, the game he referred to between Denmark and Sweden serves as a good example, that was awarded 3-0 to the team whose fan was not at fault. but that was simply a single fan, this was far more serious and could result in some further bans for Serbia beyond just forfeiting this game.

Two goals apiece for Klaas Jan Huntelaar and Ibrahim Afellay in Holland's easy win over Sweden. Neither goalscorer played much of a role in the World Cup so this is a good sign for the Dutch renaissance (I could not resist that one!) :)

Yogi - October 13, 2010 04:46 PM (GMT)
More on the Serbian crowd violence,

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Violence has marred Serbian soccer for two decades and Tuesday’s scenes in Genoa where visiting fans launched flares at Italy supporters and tried to cause a riot have cast doubt over Serbia’s future in the Euro 2012 qualifiers.

UEFA issued a statement saying it had opened a “full and thorough disciplinary investigation into the incidents of serious disorder” at the Stadio Luigi Ferraris.

Once all the evidence has been gathered, UEFA’s Control and Disciplinary Body has several sanctions available, ranging from a large fine to disqualification from competitions in progress and/or exclusion from future competitions.

Group C leaders Italy, set to refund their fans at the game, are also likely to be awarded a 3-0 walkover win.

The Serbia FA has called an emergency executive board meeting for Friday but few senior soccer figures in the country would be surprised if UEFA hands down a severe punishment at its hearing on Oct. 28

Don Balon - October 13, 2010 06:09 PM (GMT)
Apparently Italian police arrested the ring leader. Part of the Serbian fans violence was directed towards their own team as they tossed a flair into the team bus before the match injuring starting goalie Vladimir Stojkovic. From what I read most of the troublemkaers at this game are Red Star Belgrado ultras and they are not happy that Stojkovic, an ex Getafe and Sporting Lisbon goalie, moved from Red Star to arch rivals Partizan Belgrado.

Holland were rewarded with 4 goals by substituting Nigel de Jong with Rafael van der Vaart. that gave their midfield more creativity and it pad off. Ibrahim Afellay played in place of the injured Arjen Robben and Klas Jan Huntelaar for the absent Robin van Persie. And a snoted here, both Afellay and Huntelaar had excelelnt games. So when the Dutch concentrate on playing, and not kicking their opponnets, they can be a joyful team.




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