Pessimistic much? You'd probably like Nietzsche.

Obviously communism remains flawed, but I argue that it is because society is not yet advanced enough yet to provide a 10 percentile standard of living for everyone. Enlightened self interest is conceivably a reason to embrace communism, should society develop to the required level to maintain the system as intended by Marx.

I tend to have to agree with this, its just teh way things are. and even the most rigorous system is likely to have a loophole in it somewhere

There has to be a loophole. No system is flawless... as has been proven many times.

Someone will sooner or later take advantage of any system. I say this because I know I sure as hell would if placed in a position of true power.

Which is part of the reason why in Marx's model there is no position of power.

Which is part of the reason why in Marx's model there is no position of power.

in marx's model isnt there no central govt at all? i cant remember and was never 100% educated in it all (poli sci type stuff is not so interesting to me) but i seem to remember that being the case

Nope. No central government. No real government at all.

Which is another reason why it can't work. Sooner or later someone is going to start running things in a small fashion. It may be a task that no one really wants, but once you gain a foothold, it's easier to take more.

the point i was going to make. without central authority, someone will gain strength and create authority, and then the system crumbles

Nope, very wrong.

To quote form wikipedia quoting from Marx (saves me from thumbing through a book to find something suitable) - "In communist society, where nobody has one exclusive sphere of activity but each can become accomplished in any branch he wishes, society regulates the general production and thus makes it possible for me to do one thing today and another tomorrow, to hunt in the morning, fish in the afternoon, rear cattle in the evening, criticise after dinner, just as I have a mind, without ever becoming hunter, fisherman, herdsman or critic."

Your life is actually far less constrained than it is now in a capitalist society, as fair and equal distribution of goods combined with industrialization and co-operativism means that you will be required to work for the communal good (including your own I should point out) but for less time than you do now, when you work for your own - and your superiors - good. You then can do whatever you want as long as it does not harm others or society. You could work at collective self improvement (learn to read French. Build a community centre. Teach a class in whatever you know to help others learn) or enjoy your leisure time however else you feel like doing so. Take a walk. Play sports. Read. Watch a film.

Your thinking of a dictatorship of the proletariat, ie: the USSR. For the record, and to avoid this problem in the future, any state that as so far claimed to bee communist was not.

That's because you're full of evil commie-fascism! If I had my way, we'd lynch you here! :angry:

Don't make me assign you to a Peoples Health and Leisure Camp <_<

Don't make me assign you to a Peoples Health and Leisure Camp <_<

*Starts packing bags.*

*Starts packing bags.*

Revisionism is looked upon with some displeasure by the camps ever friendly Events and Activities Officers, who will see to it that you have a fun, fulfilling and productive stay.