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 THE CABIN IN THE WOODS, So?
Bob Cashill
Posted: Apr 14 2012, 06:24 AM


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Mark Tinta
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Well, I think I liked it a lot more than Bob did. I need to see it a second time to a) catch all the references, and cool.gif to marvel at its construction. I think it'll end up being one of the best films of 2012. Like Bob, I have only a basic familiarity with Whedon's TV work, so I'm far from being one of his fanboys. But I found CABIN a giddy, exhilirating, endlessly inventive and ultimately no-holds-barred piece of work. Having another day to think about it beyond the review I wrote (linked below), I think I like it even more than I did upon my initial reaction. Highly recommended.


THE CABIN IN THE WOODS (no spoilers)

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Bob Cashill
Posted: Apr 14 2012, 05:17 PM


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Hey, I didn't go all Rex Reed on it.


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QUOTE (Bob Cashill @ Apr 14 2012, 05:17 PM)
Hey, I didn't go all Rex Reed on it.

Wow; read the comments of that review. blink.gif


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QUOTE (Bob Cashill @ Apr 14 2012, 11:17 PM)
Hey, I didn't go all Rex Reed on it.

"Here's how the film ends: someone shaking Rex Reed awake." CLASSIC!!


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Steve Erickson
Posted: Apr 15 2012, 04:18 PM


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I just got back from seeing the film and was impressed by the way it integrates the influences of everything from FUNNY GAMES to Lovecraft. (I hope that's not a spoiler!) It comments on the codes of the genre without getting lost in meta or forgetting how to have fun. Reading reviews of it is a bit frustrating because they're all so coy about the narrative - I totally understand why, but I'd like to see someone bite into its implications.
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QUOTE (Steve Erickson @ Apr 15 2012, 10:18 PM)
I just got back from seeing the film and was impressed by the way it integrates the influences of everything from FUNNY GAMES to Lovecraft. (I hope that's not a spoiler!) It comments on the codes of the genre without getting lost in meta or forgetting how to have fun. Reading reviews of it is a bit frustrating because they're all so coy about the narrative - I totally understand why, but I'd like to see someone bite into its implications.

I think there'll be a lot of blog posts and critical analyses in the coming days and weeks after people have seen the film. I think critics and fans have been remarkably quiet about the surprises contained within in. Well, everyone but Rex Reed, apparently.


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Posted: Apr 16 2012, 06:40 AM


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I think this reader quote sums up Reed and his writing rather well:
"I really wish I could be this terrible at my job and not get shit-canned."
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Posted: Apr 16 2012, 07:12 AM


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Reed also has a thing about fat people. Especially if they are Seth Rogen. Reed's review of 50/50 is another perfect example of his idiocy.

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Remember Reed's notorious "review" of OLD BOY that turned into a screed about the whole damn country of South Korea? Had he written that about Mexico or any African country, he would have been fired.
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QUOTE (John Charles @ Apr 16 2012, 01:12 PM)
Reed's review of 50/50 is another perfect example of his idiocy.

In his review he even namedrops Zazu Pitts! I thought Johnny Carson took that reference with him when he went!
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Maybe my problem is I kind of resent how some of these reviews talk about CABIN as some much needed kick in the ass for the genre. You really believe postmodernism and wisecracks is the missing ingredient in horror? If thereís a problem in horror right now itís that thereís too much recycling and navel-gazing in the form of remakes and references and homages, and this falls into a couple of those categories.


Outlaw Vern liked CABIN, but gives it a well-needed public spanking in the wake of all the hype. I liked it too, but I think he nailed what's going on here. One of his best reviews in a while.

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The subtext of the movie is in love with pure horror. It just seems to me like the top layer didnít get the memo.


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Food for thought. I'm surprised this isn't generating more discussion here; does it say so much, in its meta way, that there isn't much more to say about it? I wasn't overly sold on it but it does have its strong points.


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Posted: Apr 18 2012, 12:06 PM


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Y'know, without having seen the film (which I will see) but having read some reviews (without reading spoilers) - that capsule of Vern's opinion sounds exactly like the feeling I was getting - mostly because I feel that's what Whedon does anyway - the guy who took the Claremont/Byrne X-MEN soap opera writing dynamic and introduced it to the larger world with BUFFY (heresy, I know, but I've never been a fan). It seemed ironic to me that a guy who wanted to produce a horror film in reaction to the surfeit of torture porn (a laudable goal) seems to have produced yet another meta-narrative full of knowing, wisecracking teens that forgets to be scary. GILMORE GIRLS meets SCREAM. Loving something while feeling superior to it rarely produces interesting results... but who knows, maybe I'll love it. Odder things have happened.

Help us Ti West... you may be our only hope!

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QUOTE (Shawn Garrett @ Apr 18 2012, 06:06 PM)

Help us Ti West... you may be our only hope!

Then we're doomed.


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Well, I did say "may" - while I think he's still got to work on his payoff's (which have to be stronger to justify the languid pacing), he seems to have the understanding that effective scares have more to do with pacing and atmosphere building than jump scares, gore and being smarter than your material. THE INNKEEPERS was pretty good (still, those endings...), despite being a budget "THE SHINING in a Motel 6".
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Shawn, I think CABIN is more a comedy about the codes of the horror genre than a straight-up horror movie. If the latter is what you're expecting, you'll probably be disappointed. It may be overly impressed with its own cleverness, but it is genuinely smart and funny and ends up in a place I never would have guessed from the first 15 minutes.
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That sounds valid - and as negative as I may sound, I am looking forward to it. Knowing it's intended more as a comedy horror film at the get-go may help immensely (that wasn't really indicated by the "reaction to torture porn" announcement)
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The "reaction to torture porn" comments stem more from one particular scene - you'll know it when you see it - and some of the things Whedon and Goddard have said in interviews. If CABIN IN THE WOODS critiques the horror genre, it's referring more to films like FRIDAY THE 13TH than SAW and HOSTEL.
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JUst back from this and I'm not sure how I feel about it. What I can say is "I was entertained". Reading back on the thread and links, I think Vern's review pretty much nailed it. I'm pretty non-plussed about the monster antagonists and there's little suspense. What I did love was the dialogue and characters (especially the effortless banter between Jenkins and Whitford). I've always loved Whedon's gift for writing snappy dialogue and he really brings a lot to this - not to take away from the co-writing contribution. I suppose what I didn't like though, is the smugness of the narrative. It kind of comes across as an "exercise" rather than a proper film and I think it ultimately collapses under it's own weight. So, I was entertained and it's dense enough to revisit - does that make it good?
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