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Jim Donahue - November 4, 2011 02:17 PM (GMT)

Bill Picard - November 4, 2011 03:56 PM (GMT)
Congratulations, Darren!

Wade Sowers - November 4, 2011 05:10 PM (GMT)
Yes, great news - wonder if this will be available here (U.S.) as well as the U.K.

Rob Peace - November 4, 2011 05:14 PM (GMT)
Looks like it's on the US Blu-ray coming out next Tuesday.

Blu-ray.com review of BLUE VELVET

Wade Sowers - November 4, 2011 06:59 PM (GMT)
Thanks, Rob, I have this on preorder but had no idea the "lost footage" was included. I wonder if anyone looked around that warehouse for THE MAGNIFICENT AMBERSONS.

Jim Donahue - November 4, 2011 07:04 PM (GMT)
I've yet to go Blu. Does this really not have a DVD counterpart? I can't find one on Amazon.

Jonathan Hertzberg - November 4, 2011 11:11 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Jim Donahue @ Nov 4 2011, 07:04 PM)
I've yet to go Blu.

As good a time as any. :D

Darren Gross - November 5, 2011 02:12 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Bill Picard @ Nov 4 2011, 09:56 AM)
Congratulations, Darren!

Thanks, Bill!

Bob Cashill - November 9, 2011 09:27 PM (GMT)
Congrats indeed! Marvelous.

So, getting back to an old topic, any word on the DARK SHADOWS movies, Darren? Maybe tied in with the Burton film?

Darren Gross - November 10, 2011 12:07 AM (GMT)
Folks at Warners have agreed, in principal, to the restoration project- both films are slated to be released a few months after the Burton/Depp film hits video, a stipulation the producers of that film made, reportedlty.

The details on the restoration need to be worked out and finalized.

Bob Cashill - November 10, 2011 05:07 AM (GMT)
Also good news. Thanks for the update.

John W McKelvey - November 11, 2011 06:34 AM (GMT)
Looking at the Special Edition DVD that preceded this Blu-Ray, I notice it has a 10+ minute deleted scene montage. Now, the Blu-Ray has the 50+ minutes of newly found footage, plus ninety seconds of outtakes... but not the montage from the standard disc.

So, did they really just find 40 minutes of new material, and this new feature includes the deleted scenes from that montage? Or did the Blu-Ray dump some of the excised footage in favor of other excised footage? Has anybody gotten their Blu-Ray and can compare? Do we have to have onto our old DVDs for that feature?

I searched a couple sites (the linked review, DVDBeaver) but nobody seems to have checked.

Vincent Pereira - November 11, 2011 06:52 AM (GMT)
John:

The "montage" on the old DVD consists of still frames from some of the deleted scenes set to music, hence its short running time. They didn't have the actual footage on hand back then- said footage having been 'lost' and all at the time- so they relied on stills taken during principal photography set to music. As such, they did not "find new material" so much as they* finally tracked down the actual deleted scenes as they existed in 1986 as opposed to mere still frames for this new Blu-ray.

Vincent

* By "they" I mean Darren, BTW, who I consider to be the real hero here.

Darren Gross - November 11, 2011 09:36 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Vincent Pereira @ Nov 11 2011, 12:52 AM)
* By "they" I mean Darren, BTW, who I consider to be the real hero here.

:D

bruce holecheck - November 11, 2011 03:17 PM (GMT)
I have to agree with Vincent about Darren being the real hero here -- without his tireless work, the world would never get to lay its eyes on important, much-rumored but never-seen footage from a true classic of modern filmmaking.

Yup, the R-rated footage from GHOULIES 2!

Why, what were you guys talking about?

(So seriously, about that GHOULIES 2 footage I've heard rumblings about...)

Darren Gross - November 11, 2011 07:21 PM (GMT)
The Ghoulies 2 R footage does exist. It was transferred when it was re-mastered in HD back in 2002 and put at the end of all our masters. No one has opted to make any use of it, so far.

I transferred the brain scooping from Deranged from the producer's only extant print, about a year ago as well. It was in pretty terrible condition, but Post Group were able to work some minor miracles on it. Still not perfect, but acceptable.

If these ever end up on Blu-ray, all they need to do is drop the alternate sequences in. No fuss no muss.

;)

William S. Wilson - November 11, 2011 07:27 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (bruce holecheck @ Nov 11 2011, 09:17 AM)
I have to agree with Vincent about Darren being the real hero here -- without his tireless work, the world would never get to lay its eyes on important, much-rumored but never-seen footage from a true classic of modern filmmaking.

Yup, the R-rated footage from GHOULIES 2!

Why, what were you guys talking about?

(So seriously, about that GHOULIES 2 footage I've heard rumblings about...)

LOL!

Sadly, I'm intrigued.

Vincent Pereira - November 11, 2011 08:43 PM (GMT)
Darren,

Are you permitted to go into detail about exactly what was in that warehouse in Seattle? Just negative, or were workprint outtakes there as well? Any insight into how Lynch went about deciding which scenes were worth reconstructing (since I read that some of the deleted scenes- i.e., the discovery of another ear in Dorothy's bathroom- are not included)? Also, any chance said warehouse might house other mid-80s DeLaurentiis outtakes (i.e., the "X" gore footage from MAXIMUM OVERDRIVE, MANHUNTER and EVIL DEAD 2 outtakes)? I'm just fascinated by this whole endeavor and wonder what other treasures might be out there with a little detective work.

Vincent

Darren Gross - November 11, 2011 10:50 PM (GMT)
It's kind of an elaborate story-- I'll post something in detail when I get the chance. I did an interview with Mr. Lynch on the recovery of the deleted scenes, which I'm told will be posted either to his site or the Fox/MGM site in the near future.

I'll throw out a few pieces of info, though... The Seattle facility isn't where everything had been originally stored, it is part of a huge project we've been doing for the last few years, where every piece of production material (unused neg, audio, production and post-production paperwork, etc.) is logged and inventoried in detail. All of the Blue Velvet material had been pulled from many different storage places around the country and sent there as part of this project. Huge amounts of material that wasn't on previous inventories was found among this material, including all the post-production and editing paperwork (lined script, nagra audio and take logs, code books, breakdowns of what scenes were in various cuts - the longest being 3hrs 28mins.) dailies prints... and the rosetta stone- all of the cut workprint trims- about 106 small pieces or rolls in about 90 boxes... I examined each roll and had them transferred to HDSR in roughly the order they would have been in the film- some were a bit choppy as sometimes a scene was trimmed down bit by bit, then finally removed in its entirety, so it was a bit of a jigsaw puzzle... We all realized that the scenes were great, but a bit rough, and it would be ideal to be able to edit all these from scratch. And in a luck of timing, all the inventorying of each piece of the original neg had been completed, which made all of this come together. The workprint trims and all the editing paperwork were the keys, otherwise it would have been impossible. I have to give credit where it's due here and give Brandon Schaeffer a nod- he was our man at the Seattle facility, and he and his team are the ones that found the materials we were looking for, based on the clues I found. They also assembled the raw takes that I requested and shipped them down to LA for transfer, etc.

Lynch and his team (editor Noriko Miyakawa and sound engineer/designer/editor Dean Hurley- angels both of them) looked at all this material (it was about 80mins of stuff) and ticked off on a list I gave them, which scenes he wanted all of the daily material from, and which he didn't... Ultimately, what we didn't have transferred for editing was pretty miniscule- I think the lab scene with the doc and Jeff- and some trims from the bedroom scene with Dorothy and him. Raw takes for everything else was made available. All of Lynch's circled takes for each of the scenes he wanted, and a few N.G. (no good) takes in a few instances just to have more to work with.

Mr. Lynch doesn't really like to explain his motivations, but he ultimately decided not to include a few scenes. I know his editor assembled all of the scenes and showed them to him, and he indicated which he wanted to drop, and really didn't elaborate beyond that... I had a feeling that the police station scene would never make it in- the breakdowns had shown that each time they cut the movie down that scene was in or out. It would fluctuate each time, so clearly there was some ambivalance, and given it's kind of the Simon Oakland Psycho scene, it probably shouldn't have been there.

Since the Seattle location wasn't a DeLaurentiis warehouse there wouldn't be anything in there from Evil Dead or Maximum Overdrive... Most of the rights for Manhunter are owned by Studio Canal (Canal Plus), who I was told several months ago found all of the raw takes and daily material on Manhunter, BUT none of the needed editing paperwork and none of the cut neg used for the 'director's cut' scenes. I followed several possible leads to help them out, but to no avail. I have a feeling that Mann has it and is just unaware of it, since he was deeply involved in the re-edit for TMC or Showtime (can't recall which...).

Darren Gross - November 11, 2011 11:06 PM (GMT)
For the deleted scenes and outtakes section, the original neg was scanned at 2K resolution (only the needed shots from the final edit list, of course) at Deluxe, color-timing and some minor visual effects done at Fotokem, additional Smoke and Revival work done at Deluxe. Dean Hurley created the 5.1 mix at Lynch's studio and layback and some small tweaks were done at Chace.

P.S. All of the original camera neg, audio is logged and the needed paperwork has been located and is ready to go for WILD AT HEART. I'm hoping that if the Blue Velvet Blu-ray does well enough, I'll be able to have Lynch oversee a re-edited deleted scenes reel. He said he'd be interested, but these are not inexpensive projects... Time will tell!

Vincent Pereira - November 12, 2011 12:23 AM (GMT)
Thank you for the detailed reply, Darren! I'm looking forward to reading that interview you did with Lynch. I should have my BLUE VELVET Blu-ray either tomorrow or Monday and I can't wait to delve into it! Great news about the WILD AT HEART trims being found too, BTW. Hopefully BLUE VELVET sells well enough to justify putting the money into that project, as well.

Vincent

John W McKelvey - November 12, 2011 03:52 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Vincent Pereira @ Nov 11 2011, 12:52 AM)
The "montage" on the old DVD consists of still frames from some of the deleted scenes set to music, hence its short running time. They didn't have the actual footage on hand back then- said footage having been 'lost' and all at the time- so they relied on stills taken during principal photography set to music. As such, they did not "find new material" so much as they* finally tracked down the actual deleted scenes as they existed in 1986 as opposed to mere still frames for this new Blu-ray.

Ah, thanks for clearing that up. B)

William S. Wilson - November 12, 2011 05:34 PM (GMT)
Incredible work there, Darren. Thanks so much for detailing the process and, most of all, your effort.

Vincent Pereira - November 15, 2011 05:34 PM (GMT)
Darren,

Finally got a chance to watch the deleted scenes- beautiful stuff! It makes me appreciate the final film that much more in what a great job Duwayne Dunham and Lynch did in "sculpting" the final cut. The deleted material is fascinating in its own right but I don't know that I'd ever want it reinstated back into the film- well, except perhaps for the final long bit, with Jeffrey following Frank through the field, then going to see Dorothy which leads into the roof scene which is quite haunting and beautiful. One question re: said scene, though- we can see Dorothy's lips moving as she walks to the ledge, she's obviously engaging Jeffrey in conversation. Did the audio for this scene not survive, or was it a matter of the boom being too far away to get anything usable? Either way, great work and thank you for your diligence and hard work* in recovering these treasures!

Vincent

* And that of all of your collaborators, of course.

Darren Gross - November 16, 2011 12:14 AM (GMT)
Thanks William & Vincent for the kind words.

On the rooftop scene we had all of the audio for the wide shot (I believe it was a radio mic for this shot) and the closer shots, but Mr. Lynch opted to drop it when editing/mixing so that it's wordless until Dorothy says, "Help me!" which I think really works, especially with the music/thunder/lightning.

In the wide rooftop shot and the one after. Dorothy doesn't really say much except, "Come... look...look" which I believe is what you're referring to... and then when she drops the show "It's falling... falling so low..." there's more dialogue after that, but it was decided not to use it. The version on the disc is the best version of that sequence I've seen.

One bit of trivia, though. Lynch played music on-set during a few scenes, both dance scenes and others, and for the wide-shot of the rooftop scene, it was "Somewhere over the rainbow" sung by Judy Garland.

So, prior to Wild at Heart's OZ references, we have Dorothy, with red shoes, and "Somewhere over the rainbow."
;)

Vincent Pereira - November 16, 2011 05:31 AM (GMT)
Thanks again, Darren! Interesting re: "Somewhere Over the Rainbow" actually having been played on-set, because earlier today I searched out the BLUE VELVET screenplay on-line (after having had a hard copy many, many years ago) and indeed, it specifically mentions the rooftop scene having "Over the Rainbow" as the background music! I agree, the scene is quite beautiful and haunting even without the dialogue. Even though I love the other deleted scenes on their own, the "roof scene" (and its surrounding elements) is the single deleted scene that I might like to see actually reintegrated into the film itself.

Vincent

William S. Wilson - June 11, 2012 05:12 PM (GMT)
For anyone who can't wait, you can see nearly a half hour of deleted stuff here:

http://gawker.com/5917313/watch-nearly-an-...chs-blue-velvet




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