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 Suggestions/Comments, Let it all out.
Aurum
Posted: Dec 18 2003, 10:23 AM


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I personally don't draw helmet on my characters often, I believe it takes away too much of the person's perifial (I have no idea how to spell that) vision. But I do support breast plates, guantlets, elbow and knee pads (for tumbles), and hip and shoulder guards the most. Then I usually modify the armor on their attacking side to be a little bit heavier than on their other side (or I don't even have any armor at all on their weaker side). I like to aply light plate armor to their most critical areas basically. I usually don't armor the legs much though, so as to keep mobility. It all usually comes out to about 20-30 extra lbs of weight, excluding any breast plates, I have no idea how heavy those are. The trick though is, making armor that's both helpful and unrestricting.

I completely understand your reasoning though, Cay, that too much armor would draw attention. People would be coming up to your characters and asking, "Where's the war?" So I like to cleverly hide the armor with a cloak. One of my character I've created actually has a thick hooded cloak that covers her entire body becuase of the amount of armor and the unique look of her armor would draw too much attention, so it helps her keep a low profile. So desguising your apperience to not look threatening is another trick.

Anyways, these are just some of my idea's, I'm not expecting you to drop everything and start changing your whole comic around what I'm saying. It woud suck trying to draw all those extra things into the comics. Maybe you could use these idea's later on in you story with any new characters you add, or I don't know. Just keep in mind that all armor is ment to protect, usually important areas, despite what the anime influences say. But hey, you rule, and I don't, so I shouldn't talk... It's best to keep things simple anyways.


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Fritandard
Posted: Dec 20 2003, 07:32 AM


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(Sent as an email due to laziness, now I'm ading it here)

I’ve been following the one thread about suggestions for Quetros (yes, yes, I’ll get my lazy ass in gear and post my thoughts… - (see!)) and thought I’d just mention that maybe the narrative text and character thoughts might take away from the ‘magic’ of the style you’ve got going in Quetros. I actually like not being a ‘god-like being’ who seems to know all and see all; it makes the characters more ‘real’ almost, or at least like someone at a party who stands out and your mind is telling you to go over and talk to them (if only just to find out what ‘they are all about’).

Not to disagree... The narrative and thought balloons would pick the pace up (now in retrospect...)

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akaCAY
Posted: Dec 16 2003, 03:22 AM


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Thread for suggestions on how I could improve Quetros to make it more reader friendly or areas in need of improvement on the art front. Or for comments on the story, characters, and comic in general.

I'd like to note the future addition of digitally added word balloons in the future. As well as narrative dialogue and character thoughts as wisely suggested by Rac. Anymore ideas, comments, or suggested are welcome and appreciated.

-Cay


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rac-vir
Posted: Dec 16 2003, 04:06 AM


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*nods* none beyond the narrative dialog and thoughts as of now, but I really think with those that you can really do some nice things.


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Aurum
Posted: Dec 16 2003, 08:32 AM


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I really can't think of anything, but I would upgrade there armor. I know it's very anime to give then just some sholder pads and random belt, but it's not very effective and mostly show. If you want them to have light armor, give tem the sholder pads, a pair of light plated guantlets, elbow and knee pads, and maybe add a bit more armor the the side that he faces his enemies with. Don't make as my friends once stated, "It's the kinda armor that isn't ment to be hit."

But in order to do this you'd have to really do some character changes, so it's up to you whether or not you care enough. Most people don't though.


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rac-vir
Posted: Dec 16 2003, 12:36 PM


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There armor works on a limited basis. THe problem with realistic armor is that if they get all decked out, CAY ends up drawing iron man. Generally you have to be careful with over armoring main chars, people like to see their heros faces.


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Her pendulous breasts swung first to the left, then to the right and finally in independent directions, much like semaphore signals, and although he couldn't understand semaphore, Kyle was sure they were saying, "Never ride the Tilt-A-Whirl with your grandma." -Randy Heil

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akaCAY
Posted: Dec 16 2003, 11:58 PM


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I agree on a large part of what you're saying Aurum with the simple armor designs, and I've since done some light redesigning to add heavier armor to characters like Jaren, who has the physical build to handle that sort of load.

The main reason why I can't really add much more on anyone else is it would limit their flexibility (the shoulder pads on everyone recently got an overhaul to allow that more so than the early designs seen in the current pages) and maneuvering in combat. The characters also want to appear to be mercenaries and try not to draw much attention to themselves and I think full body armor would tend to make anyone stick out. Walking from village to village would just play wear anyone out so they're travel lightly armored with hardened leather and such, so I probably won't add much else to the armor. I'll probably redesign it again in the future, but if the characters ever get into a massive army vs army situation, you can bet I'd bring out the full body armor. (Who knew drawing comics required so much outfit designing?)

Also Rac's on target again, people like seeing their heroes, though I will say helmets can be pretty damn cool looking, too.

Thanks again for the suggestions, Aurum. I'll try to give some attention to an armor overhaul in the near future.


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rac-vir
Posted: Dec 17 2003, 01:48 AM


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Helmets are indeed nice, but so are faces.

You also forgot on big thing about armor. It's expensive, hella expensive. So generally a breatplate will protect the largest target in your body, thus you can get just a breastplate and greatly up your defense.


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Her pendulous breasts swung first to the left, then to the right and finally in independent directions, much like semaphore signals, and although he couldn't understand semaphore, Kyle was sure they were saying, "Never ride the Tilt-A-Whirl with your grandma." -Randy Heil

"Raja, naba do wa, gola wookie, nipple pinchie?"
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rac-vir
Posted: Dec 18 2003, 01:14 PM


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For true mobility, the armor is best of being something like cured or studded leather. Lightweight, allows mobility, but could end up saving you a bit of damage from a sword, or possibly stopping an arrows a scant few cm from your heart.


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Her pendulous breasts swung first to the left, then to the right and finally in independent directions, much like semaphore signals, and although he couldn't understand semaphore, Kyle was sure they were saying, "Never ride the Tilt-A-Whirl with your grandma." -Randy Heil

"Raja, naba do wa, gola wookie, nipple pinchie?"
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akaCAY
Posted: Dec 18 2003, 05:06 PM


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QUOTE (Aurum @ Dec 18 2003, 10:23 AM)
One of my character I've created actually has a thick hooded cloak that covers her entire body becuase of the amount of armor and the unique look of her armor would draw too much attention, so it helps her keep a low profile. So desguising your apperience to not look threatening is another trick.

I'm just surprised that something so simple would slip by, so I'm probably gonna quickly incorporate the disguising aspect with a heavy cloak or something similiar for a character especially like Jaren. Though, I couldn't really over do things as the big mysterious looking guy would still draw attention anyway, but it would easily be passable for traveling or in remote villages where most people just stop for the night and travel on.

Thanks for the good suggestions Aurum, and yes, I will probably end up changing things, especially those that make sense, around suggestions that you and Rac have made. They probably won't show up until the Summer in Storyarc Two though. (Yes, I have that much buffer room for laziness and such)


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Aurum
Posted: Dec 19 2003, 07:39 PM


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Hey anytime, I'm surprised that I actually had a good idea for once. biggrin.gif I'm happy to help you in anyway I can and I'm equally as happy that my ideas were well recieved. Well, I can't wait to see the next storyarc.


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akaCAY
Posted: Dec 19 2003, 10:17 PM


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The only trouble is with this good discussion about changes to be made and such, it's distracting me from my inking of the rest of storyarc one. Can't stop thinking about ways to change character designs and the story for the better.

Storyarc Two should begin in early June, for everyone's info.


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rac-vir
Posted: Dec 20 2003, 04:37 PM


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*blinks* Wait, are you pro or anti balloon?

And is that supposed to be 'guildmaster' rather than 'guilmaster' in your tag?


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Her pendulous breasts swung first to the left, then to the right and finally in independent directions, much like semaphore signals, and although he couldn't understand semaphore, Kyle was sure they were saying, "Never ride the Tilt-A-Whirl with your grandma." -Randy Heil

"Raja, naba do wa, gola wookie, nipple pinchie?"
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akaCAY
Posted: Dec 20 2003, 07:09 PM


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Both, it seems. But, I'd like to clear up the use of narrative balloons. First off, there's not, nor will there ever be, an omnipotent narrator. The narrative balloons will be strictly used for character's thoughts, which would help speed things along and also cut down on some of the explaining that has to be done every once in awhile. (I agree with Fritandard that an omnipotent narrator would greatly destroy the grounded and character oriented feel that I'm going for in my story, but I think thought balloons would add to that feeling)

Also, my plan is to shade code the thought balloons for different characters. IE, Larinth's is black text, white ballon, Jaren's white text, black balloon, and Reea's black text, grey balloon. That way it'll cut down on some confusion and help distinguish different character's thoughts.

((Oh yeah, Rac add the thbt link to our front page when you get a chance))


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rac-vir
Posted: Dec 20 2003, 07:52 PM


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I'm on it.


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Her pendulous breasts swung first to the left, then to the right and finally in independent directions, much like semaphore signals, and although he couldn't understand semaphore, Kyle was sure they were saying, "Never ride the Tilt-A-Whirl with your grandma." -Randy Heil

"Raja, naba do wa, gola wookie, nipple pinchie?"
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