Hitting power Spear(wo)man, close combat attacks

[Theoclias]

Hi guys,

Everybody okee ?

The High King of Atitlan is back again !!

And stronger then before !!!

I have a case about Close Combat attacks of Spear(wo)men :
Yes, yes i have 2 units with Spear(wo)men (converted Handmeadens) !

A unit of 15 spear(wo)men (first, second and third rank 5 models wide).

First rank 5 CC Normal Attacks
Second rank 5 CC attacks because of Extra Rank
Third rank 5 CC attacks because of Supporting Attacks

What is the sequence ?

Extra Rank goes for Supporting Attacks ?

Or is it :

First rank 5 CC Normal Attacks
Second rank 5 CC attacks because of Supporting Attacks
Third rank 5 CC attacks because of Extra Rank

Help me to solve this case.

[Whirlwind]

Don't forget that we also get the extra rank of spears on top of that. I forget the rule name, martial prowess maybe or is it citizen levy? LOL somebody correct me

[Theoclias]

That's right Wirlwind,

That's the extra rank i mentioned in the case (Martial Prowess).

But that is not the solution of the case.

Mine problem is what may we apply ?

Which sequence ?

Greetings Theoclias

[ZeltArruin]

I am not sure what you are asking. All attacks at the same I on one side go at the same time...there is no sequence, as you are describing.

[Theoclias]

Well ZeltArruin,

Is it correct to take with the first rank the normal standard CC Attacks ?
With the second ranks the Supporting Attacks and with the third rank the CC Attacks based on Martial Priwess ?

I do not know if the sequence of the ranks are correct.
And if it is allowed to deploy the spear(wo)men in this way.

Or do the Supporting attacks not apply because of the third extra (last) rank based on Martial Prowess ?

It is my intention to generate as much Close Combat Attacks as is allowed with a minimum number of models.

Greetings Theoclias

[strewart]

Yeah you get the front rank attacking as normal, the second rank attacking due to supporting attacks, the third rank attacking due to spears, AND the fourth rank attacking due to martial prowess. So when you roll out a unit of 20 spearmen, 5x4, EVERY model gets to attack provided you didn't charge in that turn.

Isn't it great?

[Whirlwind]

Ok, can I shout "SPARTANS GIVE THEM NOTHING BUT TAKE FROM THEM EVERYTHING!" lol...

[Theoclias]

Hy Strewart,

Everything oke ?

It was long ago that i entered the forum.

Please explain the third rank due to spears ?

Imo you get only three ranks.

First normal
Second suporting
And thirth due to Martial Prowess.

It would be great indead if you are right to play with four ranks.

Convince me ?

I want to learn more about the 8th edition rules then my opponent.

We intent to play a huge 4K battle, in about 3 weeks from now, between HE and Gobo's.

I wil play against our member Elven Slayer.

[Theoclias]

okee,

I think i have solved the case myself.

You are right Strewart !!

When not being charged you may fight with four ranks !!

But if you are charging you fight with three ranks ??????

Theoclias

[strewart]

Yeah exactly, martial prowess always gives 'fights with one more rank than normally allowed' which is why we used to get 3 ranks, while other spears from other armies got 2 ranks. Now everyone gets 2 ranks, normal spearmen get 3 ranks, High Elf spearmen therefore get 4 ranks.

Archers also all get to fire in 2.5 ranks now, so a unit of seaguard can pump out a LOT of attacks when performing a stand and shoot reaction. Additionally, remember, with always strike first if your initiative is equal or higher than your opponents (almost always for elves) you get to reroll all missed hits! The amount of times my Dragon princes have charged in with 15 s5 attacks and hit with every single one of them, then be killing on 2's is amazing. They are always my best unit this edition.

But anyway back to spearmen. Yes indeed Whirlwind, THIS IS SPARTA!!! (I really should take an updated photo now that there is a 4th rank and the first 3 are mostly painted, looks better now)

[Whirlwind]

Yeah get those pics on here mate, I need to be inspired lol.

Question: If I fielded 25 archers in a two ranks of 10 with the third rank 5 wide, would all the archers be able to shoot? I know this is a lazy question but I am yet to have a game this edition and still need to read the rule book some more...

[strewart]

No, its half of whatever is left. Although that is how I have been playing it, and just looking at the rulebook now I can only find that units shoot in 2 ranks, nothing about 2.5 ranks.. Interestingly, Sam is the one that brought this ruling forward (he plays in GW a lot so picks up rules there) and it has only really benefitted my Seaguard, never his army.

I wonder if it is mentioned somewhere else or just a mistake somehow... Will have to ask him.

[Theoclias]

Strewart and Whirlwind,

Look on page 78 for volley fire for longbows and bows in the third and subsequent ranks !!

Theoclias

[Theoclias]

In addition you have to deploy your third and subsequence ranks at least with an even number of models (6, 8, 10 etc).

Then you can half them !!

[Theoclias]

An example :

A unit of 30 models (first and subsuquent ranks 10 models wide) has 25 Shooting attacks (two ranks and Volley Fire) and 30 close combat Attacks (Horde) !!

Theoclias