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 Winter Casualties
Rosiemeadow
Posted: Apr 2 2012, 08:12 PM


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Hi Sandy, have you tried putting your fantail in Epsom Salt yet? I swear by it! It kept Big Red alive for a year when everyone thought she was a goner, I'm not sure of the exact amounts I used but she was in a hospital tank with an aquarium heater that GRADUALLY raised the water temp & it worked! Good luck!


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Broxandval
  Posted: Apr 3 2012, 02:19 AM


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Hi Sabrillo
This was first done by a Vet to help a fancy koi to get better it should be on YouTube.
Try giving a diet of live bloodworm and peas this has a laxitive effect on the koi stopping its organs being pressed up aginst the important swimbladder.
By giving this diet your are removing pressure from the stomach thus stopping it from being right up against the swimbladder.
By adding thse two foods to a normal diet say once a week you can normally keep that pressure of.
Sadly because of the dirfferent shapes of fancy goldfish compress the organs somewhat they are prone to swimbladder problems.

rgrds

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Weve been Keeping Koi now for 26 year's we have 20 Koi, 1 orfe. We have a russian blue type cat with while leg markings white chin etc called Pepsi and the cutest young boy cat, Jet black in colour (who has two tails) called Jack.
A growing collection of fishy art and Badger/Otter/Dolphin/koi fine art prints.
Collection of Figurines/Plates/Cups/Slates/Clocks all of them are Badger/Otter/Cat/Dolphin
Collect Benaya koi tiles.
Large Library of Koi/Koi/Fish Health Books plus another Library of Tropical Fish/Fish Health Books.
Member of the Koi Magazines Koi Hall Of Fame.
Our deceased cat family:-
RIP Suki 2005-2013
RIP Dusty 1990- 2008 RIP Dillon 1997- 2010
RIP Sammy 1989-2007 RIP Baby 1991-2006
RIP SpookyII 1995-97 RIP Spooky 1990-95
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sabrillo
Posted: Apr 3 2012, 12:34 PM


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I use aquarium salt. Is there a difference? Now I have him in fungus clear because it says it might help with swm bladder problems. I've been using the malachite green because of the white spots on his head, plus melafix and salt. I tried cooked peas, and he won't eat. I thought for sure he'd eat the flake foods mixed witht he garlic, but all it did was foul the water. I also chase him around with the airstone to move him and get him to swim....

I've been doing fungus clear with the big 3, they did have a dose of antibiotic meds as well. They are now in just melafix and antibiotic food. The one that had the bad cottony fungus on his tail has lost a lot of his tail, the other fat one is still fat, but no pineconing and his tail has gotten better as well. I've got 3 different set up for the babies, the 3 big ones and the fantail. I have a whole arsenal of fish meds...

The turtles shares the table and they had some earthworms when it was 80 degrees the other day. Yesterday and today is cold with blowing snow. I turned on the waterfall last week too, but the pond isn't freezing as of this morning so I think I'll just leave it on. Today is the last of this lousy weather I believe.
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Rosiemeadow
Posted: Apr 3 2012, 08:30 PM


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Hi Sandy, yes I believe there is a difference between Epsom Salt & Aquarium Salt, I would try it, it can't hurt. Dave is right about the peas, I gave them to Red, but you have to remove the outer shell & break them into smaller pieces, at least that's how I did it. I found when Red was soaking in the Epsom salts, she got better literally overnight! If you can look back at my post on this, I think I might have posted how much I used. I am not sure where it is but Dave or Robyn might be able to locate it.


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Broxandval
  Posted: Apr 3 2012, 11:08 PM


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Hi sabbrillo
Too many treatments all together can have an adverse effect on your fancy try one at a time with a few weeks in between .
It may be a good idea to do as Rosiemeadow suggests something as simple as Epsome salts.
If your going to use garlic try using it with pellets or sticks but not flake as your only as you have found makie a mess ,
If the fancy refuses to recover then we'll have to think of another way of attack.


rgrds

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Weve been Keeping Koi now for 26 year's we have 20 Koi, 1 orfe. We have a russian blue type cat with while leg markings white chin etc called Pepsi and the cutest young boy cat, Jet black in colour (who has two tails) called Jack.
A growing collection of fishy art and Badger/Otter/Dolphin/koi fine art prints.
Collection of Figurines/Plates/Cups/Slates/Clocks all of them are Badger/Otter/Cat/Dolphin
Collect Benaya koi tiles.
Large Library of Koi/Koi/Fish Health Books plus another Library of Tropical Fish/Fish Health Books.
Member of the Koi Magazines Koi Hall Of Fame.
Our deceased cat family:-
RIP Suki 2005-2013
RIP Dusty 1990- 2008 RIP Dillon 1997- 2010
RIP Sammy 1989-2007 RIP Baby 1991-2006
RIP SpookyII 1995-97 RIP Spooky 1990-95
Time Zone GMT

Note:-
Vals birthday 19/3/59

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Robyn
Posted: Apr 4 2012, 06:51 PM


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I agree that too many medications, especially at once can be harmful. Remember, these are chemicals.

Aquarium and pond salts are sodium chloride.
Epsom salts are magnesium sulfate.
Thus, they are two different things.


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Broxandval
  Posted: Apr 5 2012, 04:27 AM


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QUOTE (Robyn @ Apr 4 2012, 11:51 PM)
I agree that too many medications, especially at once can be harmful. Remember, these are chemicals.

Aquarium and pond salts are sodium chloride.
Epsom salts are magnesium sulfate.
Thus, they are two different things.

Hi Robyn
Thanx for that explanation now I know what the difference is between the two .


rgrds

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Weve been Keeping Koi now for 26 year's we have 20 Koi, 1 orfe. We have a russian blue type cat with while leg markings white chin etc called Pepsi and the cutest young boy cat, Jet black in colour (who has two tails) called Jack.
A growing collection of fishy art and Badger/Otter/Dolphin/koi fine art prints.
Collection of Figurines/Plates/Cups/Slates/Clocks all of them are Badger/Otter/Cat/Dolphin
Collect Benaya koi tiles.
Large Library of Koi/Koi/Fish Health Books plus another Library of Tropical Fish/Fish Health Books.
Member of the Koi Magazines Koi Hall Of Fame.
Our deceased cat family:-
RIP Suki 2005-2013
RIP Dusty 1990- 2008 RIP Dillon 1997- 2010
RIP Sammy 1989-2007 RIP Baby 1991-2006
RIP SpookyII 1995-97 RIP Spooky 1990-95
Time Zone GMT

Note:-
Vals birthday 19/3/59

http://xat.com/FishPondInfo
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sabrillo
Posted: Apr 6 2012, 10:04 AM


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The first thing I do every morning is check on my fantail. Every morning he is on his side, not moving and I stare at him until I see some signs of life. Every morning he surprises me and will move his eye and look at me.

I've made him a little floating area with netting and straws. It's just small enough to hold him upright. I leave him in for a couple of hours, then let him out so we can do our "physical therapy" of chasing him with the airstone so he swims around and gets some exercise. I keep the airstone on his side that goes down because the airstone bubbles pushes him up and he can stay upright and swim.

He is on his final day of meds and believe it or not, yesterday my little guy was using the airstorne himself to keep himself upright. That's how I found in in the morning. Who said fish are not smart?!This morning again, he was by the airstone keeping himself upright.

I am changing out his water today and will add the epson salt (I went out yesterday to get some), to hopefully use as a laxative and maybe I can get him to eat now. I went and looked up the defination of sodium chloride (table salt) and magnesium sulfate (mineral that has a laxative effect) and am thinking that aquarium salt is useless???? Is that true?

If he does make it, I am not sure he will be able to go back to the pond.
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Robyn
Posted: Apr 6 2012, 04:04 PM


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Sodium chloride is not useless in the least; we all need it. See my page on salt at http://www.fishpondinfo.com/fishcare/salt.htm


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sabrillo
Posted: Apr 6 2012, 06:42 PM


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Thank you Robyn.
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Broxandval
  Posted: Apr 7 2012, 11:29 PM


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Hi sabrillo
We have 20ib of salt all ready to go in a sealed container you really have to remember that salf was in reality the first cure all for fish.
I just think it unheathy to keep fresh water fish in salt 24/7, they are after all fresh water fish.
A tip dont go spending money on aquarium salt go to your local supermarket and by in cooking salt they do it in 1.5kg 3 kg bags which will cost you next to nothing to buy and in reality is the same stuff that does the job you want it to do.
That can be ridding the fish of parasites , reducing ozmotic pressure, tc etc the list goes on depending on the fish some like brackish water others dont.
So remember for the ones that dont make sure the salt is removed from the water after treatment.


rgrds

broxandval fishie.gif flowersmile.gif


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Weve been Keeping Koi now for 26 year's we have 20 Koi, 1 orfe. We have a russian blue type cat with while leg markings white chin etc called Pepsi and the cutest young boy cat, Jet black in colour (who has two tails) called Jack.
A growing collection of fishy art and Badger/Otter/Dolphin/koi fine art prints.
Collection of Figurines/Plates/Cups/Slates/Clocks all of them are Badger/Otter/Cat/Dolphin
Collect Benaya koi tiles.
Large Library of Koi/Koi/Fish Health Books plus another Library of Tropical Fish/Fish Health Books.
Member of the Koi Magazines Koi Hall Of Fame.
Our deceased cat family:-
RIP Suki 2005-2013
RIP Dusty 1990- 2008 RIP Dillon 1997- 2010
RIP Sammy 1989-2007 RIP Baby 1991-2006
RIP SpookyII 1995-97 RIP Spooky 1990-95
Time Zone GMT

Note:-
Vals birthday 19/3/59

http://xat.com/FishPondInfo
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Robyn
Posted: Apr 9 2012, 01:08 PM


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You can also get bags of salt at home supply stores. The problem is that many may include other chemicals such as iodine for salt sold for people to eat and anti-clumping chemicals for salt sold to melt snow and so on. If the bag says it's 100% sodium chloride and nothing else, you can use it. If it says 100% salt, keep in mind that it may be other salts such as potassium chloride which is used to melt snow at lower temperatures. You just have to be sure you're getting what you need and nothing else.


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Servant to 5 cats, 2 rabbits, 3 guinea pigs, 3 chickens, 1 redbellied turtle, 3 freshwater aquariums (65, 50, & 20 gallons), 2 saltwater aquariums (6 and 12 gallon nano cube reefs), 7 outdoor ponds (1800, 153, 50, 30, 20, 20, & 12 gallons), 1 indoor pond (50 gallons, winter only), crickets, mealworms, 2 six-spotted roaches, and hundreds of fish (of about 18+ species), amphibians, snails, shrimp, corals, crabs, worms, and so on in those aquariums and ponds. A mostly full list of my current animals is at http://www.fishpondinfo.com/animals/animallist.htm

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sabrillo
Posted: Apr 22 2012, 04:25 PM


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Hello all, remember my 2 fish that were on it's side coming out of winter....who slowly recovered and became upright again after water changes and aeration? Well, in looking at both of them (yes, I know exactly which ones they were), I noticed that they both have red raised sores or cysts on one side of their body. Same side, same kind of sores. I caught them both today and brought them in and now have them in Maracyn 2.

Is there anyway to determine if it is parasitic in nature with not doing a scraping or do I just wing the meds and see if this helps and then move on to the malachite green if nothing improves for parasites?

On another note, I released 2 of the big fish I recently brought in to medicate back to the pond along with 3 of the larger babies from last year. On of the babies got caught in the netting that fell in the pond and is back in the house. He cut himself pretty good trying to escape the netting.

Gosh, this is a full time job!!
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Robyn
Posted: Apr 23 2012, 10:29 AM


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Sorry about your fish but glad that some are better. Raised bumps or cysts are normally bacterial (or sometimes viral) in nature. Most parasites don't cause bumps although fish may get a localized infection at the attachment site of anchor worms. Anchor worms are easy to see as white strings on fish so, if you haven't seen those, don't worry about that. Can you get some photos?


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sabrillo
Posted: Apr 24 2012, 03:33 PM


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here is a photo of what it looks like. Sorry for the poor quality, but those red spots are the sores.

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