It went through, for better or for worse..

What was it Churchill said?

"Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all the others."

Gertrude's Law of Nation Names:

"If a Nation's name contains any of the following words: People's, Democratic, and/or
Republic, it is in fact Socialist. The more of these words the name contains, the more
Socialist the Nation is."

Check of Proof:

French Republic: Socialist.

Democratic Republic of the Congo: *Really* Socialist.

Democratic People's Republic of Korea: Holy-Living-Fuck Socialist.

Australia: Socialist, but since no one cares about Australia.... >;)

Maybe we should change ourselves to the United Stuttgart Dictatorship of Britain.


I'd let them in the UN.

You really are a bell-end, aren't you.

I really should not have started a political thread...

especially after I complained about how pointless they get in the last one.

hypocrite be me.

World Net Daily is also about half a hood short of being the Ku Klux Klan.

Read about three articles and realize that it's a raw festering hive of Islamophobia.

[QUOTE=RedFox742,Nov 10 2009, 07:18 PM][QUOTE=Master Shake,Nov 9 2009, 06:33 AM] [QUOTE=Quillian,Nov 8 2009, 09:56 PM]
You linked to World Net Daily, a hive of right-wing conspiracy-crazies who still buy the 'OBAMA WASN'T BORN IN AMERICA HERPA DERP' nonsense and think that everything that Glenn Beck doesn't personally approve of is 'socialism'.

You probably should stop citing crazy people in your arguments. [/QUOTE]
World Net Daily is also about half a hood short of being the Ku Klux Klan.

Read about three articles and realize that it's a raw festering hive of Islamophobia.[/QUOTE]
RedFox,

Ah, yes, the "Republicans-are-racists" lie.

If WorldNetDaily really was a place for the Ku Klux Klan or such people, then I sincerely doubt that they would have so many black and Jewish writers (and I should know, seeing as I've corresponded with quite a few of them, black, Jewish, or otherwise).

You want to talk about hate? How about the hate which Muslims spew towards non-Muslims? How about the nutcase who killed a dozen troops and wounded dozens more at Fort Hood? How about all the Muslims who are praising this rampant murderer as a hero?

By the way, RedFox, I also recall how, roughly this time last year, you posted this thread about your friend being a racist, in light of our current . Too bad I didn't find out this interesting little bit of info at that time, but here, I can share it with you now... want to see what some great Islamic thinkers have really thought and said about black people over the centuries?

[QUOTE]...
In 889 AH, Ibn Qutaybah wrote that "Ham, son of Noah, was light-skinned and handsome. Then God Most High changed his complexion and that of his progeny [into black] because of the curse [invoked by] his father." Elsewhere, he states, "They are ugly and misshapen, because they live in a hot country. The heat overcooks them in the womb, and curls their hair."

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The African jurist Ahmed Baba, for example, defends the chattel slavery by stating, "The Sudanese non-believers are like other non-believers whether they are Christians, Jews, Persians, Berbers, or any others who stick to non-belief and do not embrace Islam... there is no difference between all the non-believers in this respect. Whoever is captured in the condition of non-belief, it is legal to enslave him, whoever he might be, but not he who has converted to Islam voluntarily, from the beginning."
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Nasir al-Din Tusi (d.1274 CE), a famous Iranian philosopher, wrote: "If various kinds of men are taken and one placed after another, like the Negro from Zanzibar, in the South-most countries, the Negro does not differ from the animal in anything except the fact that his hands have been lifted from the earth, except for what God wishes. Many have seen that the ape is more capable of being trained than the Negro, and more intelligent."
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Ibn Khaldun (d. 1406CE) added that blacks are "only humans who are closer to dumb animals than to rational beings." The reason for their characteristic "levity, excitability, and great emotionalism," according to Ibn Khaldun, is "due to the expansion and diffusion of the animal spirit" in them. Ibn Khaldun disagrees with the mythological curse of Ham and attributes their "deficiencies" to the climate of Africa and their being "overcooked in the womb."

Other renowned Muslim thinkers, such as Sa'id al-Andalusi (d. 1070CE) wrote that blacks are "More like animals than men," and that "the rule of virtue and stability in judgment" is lacking amongst them, such noble qualities being replaced by "foolishness and ignorance." Even such luminaries as Ibn Sina considered blacks to be "people who are by their very nature slaves."
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No one knows how many Africans were sold into slavery throughout the Middle East, but it is fair to put it at a level higher than that of the Americas because of the length of time during which it was practiced. Islam is certainly tainted with over a millennium of illegal slave trade. Illegal because it was made "legal" only by the redefining of slavery as it existed and was tolerated during the life of the Prophet, and because the doctrine which serviced the ideology of slavery in Muslim thought is a blasphemy before God, who defines Himself as the Just.

One of the most tragic facts is that Mecca, the geographic heart of the Muslim community, was one of the largest slave markets in the Muslim world all the way up until the Twentieth Century when the standards of the international community, championed by the West, came to inform Muslims that chattel slavery is a violation against dignity, humanity and their own standing in global affairs. We find in historical sources that slaves were being captured in East Africa and being taken to Mecca for sale during the pilgrimage. From there they were distributed all over the world. It was a custom for pilgrims to buy, sell and trade slaves while fulfilling their fifth pillar and this went on to the extent that the term "slave market" and the name of the city of Mecca became synonymous. Many unsuspecting free people were taken on the pilgrimage by high-ranking Muslims and sold or arrested on trumped up charges, ultimately ending up as victims of the notorious Meccan slave trade. In fact, slaves have been reported as being sold as late as 1960 in Saudi Arabia, and many more cases are reported in Sudan.[/QUOTE]
SOURCE: Blasphemy Before God: The Darkness of Racism in Muslim Culture by Adam Misbah al-Haqq (yes, the author is a Muslim himself, just in case you were wondering)

Also worth noting is how there are more slaves in Africa alone RIGHT NOW then there ever were in this country's history.

But speaking of which, and jumping back to America's role in slavery... if you want to really see who and which political parties were responsible for slavery and discrimination in this country's history, then please check out the book Setting the Record Straight: American History in Black and White by David Barton (and there's also a video documentary version of it).

And while you're at it, you can also check out The Democrat Race Lie and The Democrats' Missing History. Heck, now that I'm on a roll with this stuff, I should also throw in this article which includes a brief list at the top of everything which the Democrats have done to try and destroy this nation throughout its history.

This post has been edited by Quillian on Nov 10 2009, 08:22 PM

I did not say this. I said World Net Daily are Islamophobes. Which, thanks to your wonderful tl;dr rant, you've proved for everyone here without a doubt.

I certainly hope you turn the exact same eye that you place on historical Islamic thinkers on Christians and all other religions as well. I hope you're willing to consider the Crusades, the Inquisition, the butchery of the Spanish missions, the terrors of Christian colonialism. I hope you're also willing to say that all Christians believe exactly what those people did, and exactly what the Klan (a Christian organization) does, and exactly what the Westboro Baptist Church does.

Or! How about this!

We could recognize that all cultures and religions have their faults, especially when viewed from an outside perspective. We could seek to foster tolerance and cultural understanding of others and recognize "the log in our own eye" as well. We could fight foolish extremism and hatred rather than embracing our own versions of it. We could recognize that the vast, vast majority of Muslims denounce violence and hate, and many Middle Easterners are victims of a history of colonial oppression that has spawned a succession of charismatic tyrants. And we could especially understand that the writings in the Koran are, viewed from a modern perspective, no less a mix of positives and negatives than the writings in the Bible, the Torah, or any other holy book.

Or we could hate, delve ourselves in bigotry, divide ourselves into black and white, and scream childish insults at each other while posting links to people who can hate for you because you're not smart enough to do it for yourself.

I know which road I'll take.

As I was a part of this, and am therefore not objective, I leave it to other mods to decide what to do about this.

This topic has far run its course, and then some.

Stop descending threads from their base topic (healthcare to the slave trade seems quite a large jump) to do petty political battles. If you don't like something about the way the world works, bring your argument to someone who can change it, rather than going at each other here. And if you still want to go one-on-one with opinions you'll likely never change no matter how much you'll argue with each other, waste time on IM or in PMs.