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Posted: Dec 16 2004, 01:28 PM


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Well.. that's it.. do you REALLY believe in God?! Why or why not?! expound your answers pls.. chirol_niko1.gif




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Posted: Dec 16 2004, 03:30 PM


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I DONT BLIV IN GOD!

First, the source... ano b ung source nyan?? s catholic for exmple, bible ryt?? mssbi b nting ganun ktotoo ung bible?? sbi dun, adan and eve are the first people... who follows the image of god... pero relics were discovered na people lyk homo-habilis (ung mdyo ape-lyk humans) existed... O_O e d mali n ung theory of adan and eve..

pero nde lng nmn s catholics eh... eh ang dami daming relihiyon... at iba iba ang kanilang God... pano mo nmn mllman kung anu ang totoo?? may ngssbi khit iba iba daw religion, iisa lng ang GOD! pano nla mpprove?? s tingin ko, yang religion, knya knyang theory lng... O_O

at ska... msyadong super natural nmn yang God.. so impossible!! ung GOD, somehow related to destiny... may plano n raw ang diyos s ating lahat... eh bat pa tayo nabuhay?? juz to reach kung anu ung nktakda s atin... waaaaaaaaa... i dont want 2 bliv it...

kya lng nmn nniwala ung tao s GOD, juz bcoz of a thing called FAITH!! anu ang basis ng knilang faith kay GOD?? juz from their religion, n i think nde ganun kcredible.. pero sna wag nyo ako awayin... kc ala akong inaaway n bliver d2... i juz said my opinion kc ravenite askd... peace tyo lhat!
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@lex: haha ok lng yn d b? walang maling opinyon



ako... well... i believe but i dont believe in destiny (layo), i believe in god because..... religious pamilya namin, since naniniwala sila might as well n maniwala ako. sheesh hiku.gif ska...... er i have FAITH? (so much for a catholic school). but there are times n doubt p rn ako, paminsan faith lng pansagot nila tapos yng linyang "god has a plan for everyone" parang... yn n lng b sasabihin nila sa mga nangyayari?. but (gulo ko no) i want to serve someone i dont know, just to feel if he's really real.....


you know what? i really feel someones up there (corny)


and lastly, member ako ng KOA(knights of the altar) in other words, sakristan ako ng skul namin hiku.gif . nyaha (makie <--hindi halata, demonyo ka eh) just kidding. bka sermonan ako ng pari kpg tinanong ko p 2


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Posted: Dec 16 2004, 04:45 PM


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tnx... about the saying "God has a plan for everyone", its so wrong! e di ibig sbhin nun, kung anu man ung mangyayari... ala tyong mggwa.. nsa kmay ni GOD ang mngyayari s atin... nyahaha... ang corny n ng buhay ntin...

pano pag nsa plan ni God... mggi akong isang psycho killer... damn! ala b akong mggwa?? kya nga imposible un... kc meron akong mggwa!!! s bwat second / minute / hour / day / month / year n lumilipas, gmgwa tyo ng choice... a choice that will create our lives...

so... eon... xncia na... i hate that word... DESTINY!!! cno ang ngimbento nyan!!! and still... peace to everyone...
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Posted: Dec 19 2004, 08:49 PM


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You know what xel, parehas tayo ng nakikitang loopholes.

Overture: Er… I know that this topic is kinda serious since it covers profound and crucial matters. So,, iba iba naman opinions natin. Sa pagsabi ko ng opinion ko, hindi ko purpose na baguhin yung belief ninyo. I just want to share it. Kaysa naman i-share ko sa parents ko! They’ll condemn me for sure.
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I'm a Roman Catholic... born, baptized and confirmed to be one. I believed in his existence for almost 15 years. I believed in it because that's what I was taught to believe in. Ako naman, naniwala at innocent sa katotohanan.

About the destiny… sabi nila (sa bible din) he has plans for us even before we were born. So, does that mean pinipili na nya kung sino ang mapupunta sa heaven at hell? Kawawa naman yung mapupunta sa hell! Innocent sya na binigyan pa sya ng gift of life para mag-suffer sya doon! Isa pa, magmumukha tayong mga laruan. Toying us and watching us fulfill whatever he has planned. And free will? What does that has to do? If he knows our fate? If he was the one who planned for it?

Another is..sa early people, they worship the sun, moon and the nature. Natural talaga sa tao na maghahanap sya ng source of his existence. And there the premise enters: god. No difference sa nangyari sa bible. This one is hard to expound…just try to grasp my point.

The souls…sabi nila kapag hindi pa natatahimik ang soul ng isang tao na-l-lock sya dito sa mundo. Yung at peace na daw either sa heaven or hell…but how come there’re good souls around? Bakit, lahat ba sila nagpapakita para matakot ka? Para mapahamak ka? Eh…how about those who appear in order to warn you of impending danger? Or… those who protect you..those whom you feel and see around. This one is hard to prove. Not even the bible can give the most acceptable answer about it. To prove it, the least you can do is kill yourself and observe. *prolly not a good suggestion*

one more about the destiny. Let’s say there are two persons who both have cancer. Parehas silang critical. They are both religious as well. After sometime, one of them died and the other survived and was able to recover. Dun sa namatay, ang sinasabi madalas: “kinuha na sya ni Lord para makapahinga na sya”. Sa isa naman “a miracle! Gusto ka pang mabuhay.” Medyo naguguluhan lang ako dito. Idea pa lang ito sa isip ko eh. Lumalabas din na may plans sya talaga pero parang unfair naman. Got me?

Isa pa pla.. sabi nila, god created man. Then god created the world we live in. god created the sun, moon and stars. god created the solar system…the universe…but…who created him? His own self?

But there’re positive things brought to us by believing in the existence of a supreme creature. One of which is “order”. Dahil naniniwala sa god, we do things that is according to his commandments. Because of fear of punishment. And what is that punishment? Hell. Another is… this is a one word and 3 lettered word which can answer all the mysteries.
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Finale: So uh… sorry! As I said before, I didn’t mean to scorn your belief. It’s just my unsullied opinion which bothers my entire life. At times, my mind craves for someone who will make me believe in his existence. At times, my mind blocks it continuing to believe in my own opinion. However, I can’t fully declare that I don’t believe in him. Kasi… doubts pa lang ang mga ito. Only that these doubts turned out to be stronger than my innate belief. Peace out guys!!! Pardons...


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Posted: Dec 20 2004, 02:03 AM


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crap.. cliche... i hate this topic...
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Posted: Dec 20 2004, 09:29 AM


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QUOTE (brandyblues @ Dec 19 2004, 06:03 PM)
crap.. cliche... i hate this topic...

mron na neto dti d ba??


hmmm........ me i beleive in God.....

because i have faith just like makie....

at d nyo na kylnangan ungkatin pa yan amfness ftnok.gif



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i dont believ in god... ako kasi ung tipong... to see is to believe @__@ ay ewan ko... i want to explain... but i dunno how eheheh labo


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QUOTE (brandyblues @ Dec 20 2004, 02:03 AM)
crap.. cliche... i hate this topic...

plaugh2.gif onga eh, this topic is really... famous!!! but anyways... ^_^;; it's good to see everyone's view on this chirol_niko1.gif


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Posted: Dec 26 2004, 01:07 AM


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Hehee, so they say, "religion is a tough topic, since you have no idea who you'll offend."

Anyways, to start off, I'd like to say that I do believe in God. And by saying I believe, that includes His existence and that He has power over everything.

Truth is, I used to doubt too. I questioned why exactly I had to do all the things a Christian does... why I couldn't question Him... why everyone's so worked up about their own beliefs... and... could I even prove that He did exist?

I guess it takes a lot of reading to understand all aspects of world religions. Not to mention studying history T_T;; but the thing is, even without mentioning faith, I think it CAN be proven that there is a God.

I'm sure all questions may take a lot of discussion, and I's be more than glad to elaborate for anyone who wants to learn more, since I am myself a student and also fascinated by the turn or events... to think science could prove the existence of God! @_@;;



First off, I think God exists because if you try to understand everything, it all boils down to... "Who made everything?" And at first, you'd think that since we have no other explanation besides the scienece theories, we'd resort to Faith alone. (and the explanation of science has its own share of loopholes, I believe T_T;;) Of course, if you think about it, if everything would have a source, then that source should be relatively greater than the subject. It's like we're just a grain of sand, and yet we try to understand the whole ocean! You think our minds would ever be capable of that? Obviously not. And if there are any protests, and if you think that man is clever enough... well then here's a question, "Why hasn't man solved everything? And why does he keep on asking?"



Next, I don't really buy the explanation that our senses can explain everything. Yes, man has a brain, he has hands, eyes... ears... everything so that he'd be able to familiarize himself with the world that he is in...

But then again, what if he loses the senses he so much believes in?

What else do you have left???

Would a blind man cross a street alone, knowing that he can't, and that the cars are zooming by??? Unless he's a pro at crossing streets, he will undeniably seek help... and trust the person who helps him. In a way, Faith works the same way. Though we can only trust in the truth, without the aid of seeing, hearing but only feeling it, we still hold onto it.


And lastly... history also proves that there is a God. I was skeptical about this myself, but it soon made sense. If you bother to read the Bible, and actually look through history books, you would see a surprisingly-intact set of facts which can actually prove that things did happen back then. And sure, people were animists and paganists, etc. back then, but studying the god/s they believe in (if there is), you'll see the inconsistency, and often, you's realize that these god/s were pretty much human (in attitude and perpective..) and to think that a god is supposed to be "better" than us...


so there... yun lang naman chirol_ehe.gif



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QUOTE (Raiyachan @ Dec 25 2004, 05:07 PM)
Hehee, so they say, "religion is a tough topic, since you have no idea who you'll offend."

Anyways, to start off, I'd like to say that I do believe in God. And by saying I believe, that includes His existence and that He has power over everything.

Truth is, I used to doubt too. I questioned why exactly I had to do all the things a Christian does... why I couldn't question Him... why everyone's so worked up about their own beliefs... and... could I even prove that He did exist?

I guess it takes a lot of reading to understand all aspects of world religions. Not to mention studying history T_T;; but the thing is, even without mentioning faith, I think it CAN be proven that there is a God.

I'm sure all questions may take a lot of discussion, and I's be more than glad to elaborate for anyone who wants to learn more, since I am myself a student and also fascinated by the turn or events... to think science could prove the existence of God! @_@;;



First off, I think God exists because if you try to understand everything, it all boils down to... "Who made everything?" And at first, you'd think that since we have no other explanation besides the scienece theories, we'd resort to Faith alone. (and the explanation of science has its own share of loopholes, I believe T_T;;) Of course, if you think about it, if everything would have a source, then that source should be relatively greater than the subject. It's like we're just a grain of sand, and yet we try to understand the whole ocean! You think our minds would ever be capable of that? Obviously not. And if there are any protests, and if you think that man is clever enough... well then here's a question, "Why hasn't man solved everything? And why does he keep on asking?"



Next, I don't really buy the explanation that our senses can explain everything. Yes, man has a brain, he has hands, eyes... ears... everything so that he'd be able to familiarize himself with the world that he is in...

But then again, what if he loses the senses he so much believes in?

What else do you have left???

Would a blind man cross a street alone, knowing that he can't, and that the cars are zooming by??? Unless he's a pro at crossing streets, he will undeniably seek help... and trust the person who helps him. In a way, Faith works the same way. Though we can only trust in the truth, without the aid of seeing, hearing but only feeling it, we still hold onto it.


And lastly... history also proves that there is a God. I was skeptical about this myself, but it soon made sense. If you bother to read the Bible, and actually look through history books, you would see a surprisingly-intact set of facts which can actually prove that things did happen back then. And sure, people were animists and paganists, etc. back then, but studying the god/s they believe in (if there is), you'll see the inconsistency, and often, you's realize that these god/s were pretty much human (in attitude and perpective..) and to think that a god is supposed to be "better" than us...


so there... yun lang naman chirol_ehe.gif

ayoko na * faints *


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Posted: Dec 26 2004, 05:57 PM


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QUOTE (Raiyachan @ Dec 25 2004, 05:07 PM)
Hehee, so they say, "religion is a tough topic, since you have no idea who you'll offend."

Anyways, to start off, I'd like to say that I do believe in God. And by saying I believe, that includes His existence and that He has power over everything.

Truth is, I used to doubt too. I questioned why exactly I had to do all the things a Christian does... why I couldn't question Him... why everyone's so worked up about their own beliefs... and... could I even prove that He did exist?

I guess it takes a lot of reading to understand all aspects of world religions. Not to mention studying history T_T;; but the thing is, even without mentioning faith, I think it CAN be proven that there is a God.

I'm sure all questions may take a lot of discussion, and I's be more than glad to elaborate for anyone who wants to learn more, since I am myself a student and also fascinated by the turn or events... to think science could prove the existence of God! @_@;;



First off, I think God exists because if you try to understand everything, it all boils down to... "Who made everything?" And at first, you'd think that since we have no other explanation besides the scienece theories, we'd resort to Faith alone. (and the explanation of science has its own share of loopholes, I believe T_T;;) Of course, if you think about it, if everything would have a source, then that source should be relatively greater than the subject. It's like we're just a grain of sand, and yet we try to understand the whole ocean! You think our minds would ever be capable of that? Obviously not. And if there are any protests, and if you think that man is clever enough... well then here's a question, "Why hasn't man solved everything? And why does he keep on asking?"



Next, I don't really buy the explanation that our senses can explain everything. Yes, man has a brain, he has hands, eyes... ears... everything so that he'd be able to familiarize himself with the world that he is in...

But then again, what if he loses the senses he so much believes in?

What else do you have left???

Would a blind man cross a street alone, knowing that he can't, and that the cars are zooming by??? Unless he's a pro at crossing streets, he will undeniably seek help... and trust the person who helps him. In a way, Faith works the same way. Though we can only trust in the truth, without the aid of seeing, hearing but only feeling it, we still hold onto it.


And lastly... history also proves that there is a God. I was skeptical about this myself, but it soon made sense. If you bother to read the Bible, and actually look through history books, you would see a surprisingly-intact set of facts which can actually prove that things did happen back then. And sure, people were animists and paganists, etc. back then, but studying the god/s they believe in (if there is), you'll see the inconsistency, and often, you's realize that these god/s were pretty much human (in attitude and perpective..) and to think that a god is supposed to be "better" than us...


so there... yun lang naman  chirol_ehe.gif

well said, nkapangliliit
sambahin (ok, mali pala, that would be violating the 1st commandment)


waaah so you do also believe in ghost because you believe in god?
(why do they always give the impression that ghost are scary?)


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personally... I don't believe in GoD... pero i wanna believe in HIM... I even pray at nyt..


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ummm.....naniniwala ako kay God....pro d na kailangan na halungkitn...(soe halungkatin)...kac ako cnubukan ko rin isip yan...inicp ko kung c jesus c God yung father nya....eh c God cno father nya?...sumakit lng yung ulo ko dun kakaisip chirol_boo.gif


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Yes.. I do believe in God. Similar to you guys, I do have doubts~ Yes, I was able to reach to the same conclusion as Ravenite and Xelecin. But all in all, I still do believe in God. I believe in His existence.

*nods in agreement with Raiya-chan's statement* So, if you do not believe in God. Who do you think would have created you?.. Does that mean you worship yourself as your own creator?.. (labo) Or believe in other ways of how this world became possible?..

And about that thing.. "to see is to believe"~ BAH! merong mga bagay na ndi na ntin kailangan makita pa para lang maniwala tayo!!! ma-fee2l naman natin yun e! And yeah, may mga bagay tayong nakikita na ndi naman totoo!!!!!!!!!!! sana ma-gets nyo cnsbi ko xe di ko ma-gets srili ko e~ mhihi.gif pro alam nyo na yung cnsbi ko~ ftnok.gif

chirol_iei2.gif sorry~ labo ng opinyon ko. yoko na xe mag-isip pa e~ tagal ko ng nababaliw dhil s topic na yan~ nagpapahinga na nga isip ko e. may isip pla ako~ mhihi.gif pro, dami k pa rin doubts~ labo~ BOHAHAHAHAHAHAHA~! plaugh2.gif





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