Koibito Discussion, From the 3rd page :D

Thank you, TresDias. Any Clerith people there should feel free to respond.

I agree, FFG. As I remember, one of the Ultimania's did say that Cait Sith had a penchant(?) for fortunetelling, or something to that effect. One did say that his fortunes were unreliable, but that doesn't mean that all of them are wrong, either.

For example, the prediction about Cloud and Aerith's wedding. One could argue that it never happened, and therefore Cait Sith was wrong. However, he was asked about their compatibility, so his prediction about their wedding meant that they were so compatible that they should get married.

And you're right, too, that the color blue could be Cloud's favorite color since he wears blue in FFVII and it's the color of his eyes. For that matter, clouds can also be found in a blue sky.

Then you have what Cloud was searching for. He did indeed find Sephiroth.

Regardless of whether "losing something dear" was Aerith or Cloud's mind, he lost both. So he did lose something dear.

I have to wonder, though, whether "losing something dear" would refer to the memory of Cloud's past. Even though the Ultimania said that was a possible meaning, how "dear" is the memory of his past to Cloud when his past was so painful to him? Seems to me that "dear" would refer more aptly to Aerith than to Cloud's past.

I'd like to know that, too, Quex.

I think it makes more sense that it would refer to Aerith, too. I can sort of see someone's sense of self being referred to as "something important", but something "dear"? I dunno, sounds a bit weird. But, I can see how Cloud losing "something dear" to him could hint at his lost self. It just makes more sense to me that it is Aerith.

I think it was something about Cloud's "sin". Didn't someone translate that for us already?

It says guilt.

I checked on my dictionary, the arrow from Cloud to Aerith says "tsumi no ishiki", literally means "consciousness/awareness of the sin"

Honestly, I think all Compilation relationship charts on 10th Anniversary Ultimania are made more neutral, it only explains what makes one character is connected with other characters rather than character's feeling to other characters.

^I totally agree.
Actually, Japanese version of 'something', 'mono', has a vague meaning, too. From my dictionary, it can be a person or a thing, but they're written in different kanji. If 'mono' has been written in kanji, it would have been cleared what it means (person or thing). However, I checked again on UO, 'mono' is written as hiragana, so it seems vague at first (if you only played the game, although I don't think that way because it's clear it means 'Aerith' as the game goes on).

もの = mono -> it can be a person or a thing.

Thankfully IMO, the quote on UO proves once again that 'something very dear' refers to Aerith because the quote 'something very dear' is directly followed by 'can be read as losing Aerith'. I don't think anything else other than Aerith.

I just thought I would drop this here. It's Chibica's (one of our translators) thoughts on the predictions of Cait Sith and the apparently contradicting information we have on him:

Chibica has made it clear, IMO, that the only reason Cait Sith's fortunes were considered "rarely correct" is because he rarely tells you what you asked to hear. When Cloud asked where Sephiroth was, Cait Sith couldn't give him a correct answer. Instead, he responded with "What you pursue will be yours... But you will lose something dear." That obviously didn't tell Cloud what he had asked, so it was a dubious, incorrect answer. However, the prediction turned out to be very true. So, while Cait Sith cannot always tell your fortune and cannot always come out with the answers you seek, he is always spot on where it matters.

So, I really think Chibica explained it well here. For a while, it seemed as though S-E was contradicting themselves. But, if you take all of the information presented into context, it makes total sense. It also proves that Cait Sith's predictions ARE considered correct by S-E.

Interesting. If SE had made one couple canon, why isn't it shown?

Wow... I hadn't read that entire analysis by Chibica. That's terrific! Thank you for quoting that, FFG!

And out of curiosity, where did you find that?

It was in that same thread where wilhelm was discussing his translations.

http://z8.invisionfree.com/Cloud_x_Aerith/...opic=5176&st=15

If you want to be picky it says awareness of guilt.

And hi, my Dad let me use his computer really quick because I wanted to say something about Cait Sith. I sometimes read the forums at other places, but I dont reply a lot. We might be getting Internet back in the whole house soon, but I am not sure. Right now just my Dad has it.

I just wanted to say something quick. I do not believe in things like fortune telling myself. I think sometimes they tell you things that you can say to anyone and have it be true. I mean if you say to someone "you will lose something dear." You will probably lose something dear at one point right? But this is the Final Fantasy and there is magic there, too and I think people forget that sometimes.

Okay, so some people want to say all the quotes mean Cait Sith cant tell the future, so, lets just pretend that Cait Sith can not and he just makes it up. Well, why would he say that Aerith and Cloud are good for each other? He has nothing to gain from just making that up right? Some people might say he said it to make Aerith and Cloud happy, but what about Tifa? He even feels bad for Tifa, right? So why would he say something to make someone else upset? If he was just going to make everyone happy maybe he would have made excuses.

The only reason I can think of is that he must have seen that Aerith and Cloud were getting along great and that they were good for one another. I know it says sometimes that Tifa was jealous and she also saw them making a bond, so why not Cait Sith? He sees their love and thinks they're good for one another. I guess I mean that even if Cait Sith cant see the future, it is not needed to tell us they are good for each other, because it seems so obvious that even Tifa saw it. I bet the others did too.

So if someone says that Cait Sith is wrong with fortunes, I say that so what? He must have seen something to say they are good for one another, even if it hurts Tifa.

So thats what I want to say, and I hope to be able to post more soon. Thanks.

Oh my, you're right. That makes a lot of sense too.
Good job.

Something dear being read as Cloud's mind.

I wonder.

How dear did Cloud really hold his mind, anyway?

Cloud's mind = his sanity... Why would you not hold your sanity dear... dear?

And MoTA's post is interesting as well because I've always said Cloud and Aerith seemed to have good chemistry I kinda like that explanation myself.

I've got to agree with that.

I can actually see it to mean both his sanity and Aerith, though.