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 Singapore's Band Scene, What is happening here?
Benji`-_-
  Posted: Jul 12 2004, 07:11 PM


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No doubt, Singapore's band scene has been growing quite healthily for the past at least two decades or so. This is evident in the good progress made by the many bands in terms of their performance standards. When we talk about "growth" here, perhaps we can also bring in the kind of exposure students are given with time. With the advancement in technology, air travel to many parts of the globe for band exchanges for example, has become more affordable to many. This has indeed helped students to open up their minds to the rest of the world, as well as to allow them to meet professional groups for the learning of new musical skills.

Bands are improving in Singapore. In the recent SYF Central Judging for Concert Band 2003, 30 bands emerged as distinction bands (or what we termed as GOLD Bands) for the first time in SYF history. People rumoured that the judging was too lenient, some said that the bands really did well this time round. One of the Adjudicators, Mr Ralph Hultgren commented that the bands in Singapore are indeed improving, that's why there were so many distinction bands for that particular year.

It's good to see so many good bands around, but let's take a look at their repertoire. Once they have achieved a certain level of musicality as well as technicality, bands tend to play very difficult pieces, some really difficult overtures or symphonies - you name it. The problem lies in here, "Are the audiences interested in all these?".

This is a very important issue that I thought it'll be worth commenting on. Imagine you're an audience going to a particular concert at the esplanade for example, all you hear are overtures and symphonies and another symphony again...even the encore piece is an overture or some serious music! How do you like that? (Sadly, there were already some bands in Singapore that has performed such a concert!)

We make music for personal enjoyment, as well as for the pleasure of the audience. Too many symphonies are not going to interest the audience at all. Many people (I'm mostly referring to non-band people) love to use this as an excuse for not attending concerts, because they knew they will end up building castles in the air, or perhaps entering into their "better" world - sleep. Boredom seemed to be inevitable. (Take note that I'm referring to "too many symphonies", that does not mean that such repertoire should not be performed at all).

Taking Japan for example, the Japanese wind bands are so good to the point that we cannot really distinguish the cream from the crop. Their standards are getting higher and higher, however in the expense of the audience-appeal due to the lack of performance in the "pop" and "light" categories. And that is indeed a fact!

Singapore in no time, will adapt to the Japanese style of band competition I speculate, from the evidences in competitions thus far. (Are we in it already?)

I wonder how others view this issue?
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lexxmexx
Posted: Jul 13 2004, 12:22 AM


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This might be a little off topic.

The local band scene, albeit improving, does not have much of an audience in Singapore. I have noticed that most people who attend band concerts are usually band musicians. The only non-musicians are either friends or relatives of the performing members. You can hardly see the general public attending band concerts at their own will, even when the tickets are marketed through distributors like SISTIC. It all seems like local bands are just performing for other band musicians and the musicians are just performing at their own satisfaction.

Why is this so?

Is it because of the public's non-knowing of the bands' existence? (lack of publicity)

Or is it because of the repertoire?

Worse! Could it be due to stereotypical perception of bands?
I have often heard of people thinking that a symphonic band is just another brass or military band, and they have never bothered to take the music seriously.
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shadream
Posted: Aug 4 2004, 11:29 PM


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Yes. Lack of general audience. Many reasons. It can go on and on i guess...

For one, is the publicity that is (currently) not wide-spread or outreach to the general audience. Even if there is, audience may be skeptical or simply lack the interest. Why? Reasons may go on and on...

It may be due to the scarce exposure of "band environment" that all of us grew up here. Well, you dont see tv or poster advertisments publicizing band concerts here? Occasionally, you may see some postcards and event listings on newspapers or magazines and of coz' on the web (e.g. Bandzone). You hardly see any featured soloists around either.

Compared to theatre, or classical performances, band performances seemed to be of a second-class. Well, it may be true for the fact that Singapore (currently) do not have a professional band. Most of us are either semi-prefoessionals, students taking part in CCA as band members or simply enjoy playing for leisure. But, musically-wise, I do not think so. I believe band music has come a long way.

There should be equal footing in establishing a profesional band as in other professional music groups. Easier said than done... ;)



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cavver777
Posted: Sep 18 2004, 04:18 PM


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One thing i want to point out is that, there are Band appear on TV for show which tailor for band to increase publicity of band under the effort of MOE during the 60s.
This made the golden age of the Band in singapore ... too bad this is the past now.
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VincentNg
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:wacko: At my stand may be I should not give much comment on this !
But at my own opinion, I think the most important at the concert is to share our music with the audience.....Is all depends what is the best cooking from the chef and the best they can present !! But some time chef also have to take care guest feeling either they health condition suitable for the food or not !!

But how to decide follow the chef rules or the guess feeling ?

That's why we have so many restaurant around us ...each restaurant have their own receipe and their way to serve to guess ....still the guess (who the boss) make the chossing ....

Some Technically chef like to cook some complicated dish make bring their restaurant among prestigous ....

They also some simple restaurant that offer simple common dish with a resonable price ...

Both of it have their own fans, so it is hard to say which one is the best .....
Let the public to be the judge ......

For my own taste in this, I prefer a good serving with a good presentation and prestigous interiior design but in the same time can serve food that suit my taste, Food that hard to find in some fancy restaurant .....

So any one like to order satays at 5 star restaurant ??

(Suggestion, keep the trend with first half of serious music and the another half of the more light music ..POp, rock, Jzz......)

(Another suggestion, Organize both type of concert in a year, may be at the first half of year, more light and festive music can play another half of year may be during national day period a seriuos piece to play where most of the band have enough time to prepare them self well in high technic pieces)....

Hope my suggestion useful giving points ..... :blink:
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shin7e
Posted: Apr 7 2005, 12:00 AM


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Hm... regarding the issue on publicity for band concerts (where concerts seem to appeal mostly to current or ex band members), I feel that the Singaporean culture has yet to reach that level of music/aesthetic appreciation. I guess i may be due to the public's lack of knowledge of the local music scene. For example: Sistic mainly advertise concerts that are performed by international artistes or only prominent and established groups in singapore like the SSO or the SYO etc. I guess to the general public, these level of music (i.e. long symphonies with many many movements) is too "chim" to understand and may simply form the impression that band music = boring. (which we all know is not entirely true at all!) To break this mindset, my suggesstion would be to push for better publicity.

Some suggesstions to spice up the publicity for band concerts:

1) Get the local media corporations involved in publicity. Maybe have a segment on the newspaper once in 2 or 3 months to highlight the up coming events taking place in the local band scene e.g. details 4 concerts, workshops for certain instruments, concert reports & reviews etc. Hey... maybe can include a forum or critics column as well? haha

2) Involve sistic/esplanade/vch as well in getting them to post the concert dates on their website

3) Educate the masses through the media! Since the impression of band concerts are generally warped with the idea that 'band music = boring', let's try changing it! Maybe if there's a gd film on band/music showing in the cinemas e.g. 'Drumline' or the recent 'Swing Girls', encourage your non-band friends to watch it and hopefully get them interested in the music scene.
OR (kk, this is a crazy idea but i do hope it'll come true) Do a film on local bands and show it either as a TV series or in the movies! Haha :P Not only would the film consist of just the end-product (the concert itself), it'll be good to show band practices, foot drills, ex-co meetings, sectionals etc. also showing the real lives of the members, with real band & relationship problems (family/teachers pressure, conductor pressure, politics?! haha) but also highlight the joy and satisfaction of making music 2gether with pple in a band. :D

With such publicity, the response towards attending a band concert may change and certain misconceptions that existed b4 may be cleared. I guess greater publicity would also help in changing the view of parents that being passionate abt band and music is indeed NOT a waste of time and being in a band may perhaps build a person's character and strengthen his/her knowledge in the aesthetic industry. ^_^


~ Shin7e ~
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enjia
Posted: Apr 23 2005, 07:00 PM


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day in day out, you switch on the tv, you hear music. but not band music. music with words etc played by electronics etc. how often do you hear band music? like never. unless you watch arts central at ELEVEN PM to TWELVE PM on a sunday. that's the only time you can hear music that's not electric etc. and it's not band either. it's orchestra and they play pieces like Mahler's whatever. and what Symphony whatever. the late timing+the piece=sleep. really. i tried once. i fell asleep by 11.15.

radios. turn it on, flip through the channels. out of like more than 10 stations, there are only 2 stations with pieces. and most of the time, they play the same music also. and most play orchestral music which is Mozart,Bach-like[except for that one time i heard star wars].

orchestra? no band music easily excessed.

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it's really saddening that MOE[?] create a judging for bands[eg. syf] and they don't make the initiative to 'show off' the band scene. what's the use of a judging and the results without a chance to show off the talents to everybody[not only the family, and other musicians]. in the ends, it's only a name and a way for the school to show off that they're good.

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of the band concerts that i went, alot are 'patronized' by musicians, the family of the band members, or school mates. that's it. and school mates? not many too. really sad how some people don't even make the effort to go down to their school band's concert and support the band.

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i have a feeling that schools are only very supportive of their bands if they get gold for consecutive many times. my sister was from sc[won't say the school name out in case i offend some ppl]. they get gold for every syf they participate in and their school is veryvery supportive of them. another one, d[also won't say the name]. d also get gold everytime they participate in syf. they're favored so much that a student of that sch, not in band, complained that the sch is biased twards band. i could quite tell that also. the last time i went to the sch, the band had a few new horns, new stands[the one that only our conductor use], new mutes etc.

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in answer to benji's opinion that singapore bands are turning out to be like japan bands,

'Taking Japan for example, the Japanese wind bands are so good to the point that we cannot really distinguish the cream from the crop. Their standards are getting higher and higher, however in the expense of the audience-appeal due to the lack of performance in the "pop" and "light" categories. And that is indeed a fact!

Singapore in no time, will adapt to the Japanese style of band competition I speculate, from the evidences in competitions thus far. (Are we in it already?)'

i disagree[gr8 this sounds like a lit essay] yep. cause the thing is that over in japan, their music education starts at a much younger age than in singapore. those who play in primary bands don't always join secondary bands, those who join secondary bands don't usually have joined primary school band before. the thing about japan bands, why they're so good, is that they start band edcation like much much younger age than most of us have. apparently, some bands[of age grps younger than their high sch ppl] can play a piece[and well too] that will most likely 'kill' my band's ppl. yep. the thing is that they train longer than us also, so they are wayyy better than singapore bands and that's one thing singapore bands have to work extremely hard to achieve.

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yep that's my view.
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enjia
Posted: Apr 23 2005, 07:27 PM


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forgot to mention one thing. regarding the band popularity in the 60s. it's cause it's the beginning of the band scene[found out frm my ban's history] and they were 'new toilets'[as some people say] since they were sorta only showing that there IS a band scene in singapore. not really because they wanted to promote it. the excitement faded off though, didn't it.
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jameslim060282
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Talking about Band Scene In Singapore, I would think that it had improved very much. However that doesn't mean that we are already perfect. I think there are still many things (especially attitudes toward music) that we can conitnue to upgrade upon... We must always remember that as a younger generation, we hold the responsibilities to improve the music scenes in Singapore.
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Benji`-_-
Posted: Jun 4 2005, 08:59 AM


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i disagree[gr8 this sounds like a lit essay] yep. cause the thing is that over in japan, their music education starts at a much younger age than in singapore. those who play in primary bands don't always join secondary bands, those who join secondary bands don't usually have joined primary school band before. the thing about japan bands, why they're so good, is that they start band edcation like much much younger age than most of us have. apparently, some bands[of age grps younger than their high sch ppl] can play a piece[and well too] that will most likely 'kill' my band's ppl. yep. the thing is that they train longer than us also, so they are wayyy better than singapore bands and that's one thing singapore bands have to work extremely hard to achieve.


Yes enjia, I agree with you - musicians in Japan start at a very young age. I was watching some Japanese Bands Video and was quite surprised by their performance the first time I saw. A Junior School band can even sound better than local universities group! Yes, it is a surprising scene, to us, Singaporeans.

The point I brought forward with regards to Singapore and Japan, I was referring to their choice of repertoire mainly - audience appeal.

Style of competition is becoming very Japanese-like, indeed, was also noted by one of the Japanese Adjudicators some SYFs ago. It's not surprising that Singapore is heading that direction, afterall, Japan is in Asia, and that seem to be benchmark Singaporean bandsmen are heading towards...

Just my opinion...



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enjia
Posted: Jun 8 2005, 10:33 PM


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well, i just came back frm japan with my band and we played with a university band and a high school band. from what i observed, their techniques are very good, but if you ask them to play a piece by feeling or apiece that requires alot of 'emotion', they can't really understand how to. though singapore bands can't really perform some of the technique stuff properly, we can do the 'emotions' stuff abit better and that is one thing we can be glad of. they are good, but we are also good. after sectionals, alot of my band members were telling me that their counter parts were telling them[our band] that they[our band] were good and they[counter parts] were bad when we were actually thinking our selves that they[counter parts] wer good and we were bad. the thing is we both don't know where we can improve upon and where we shine in, so yar. that's my load of rubbish.

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