The Jacksonian Persuasion

And I don't understand why someone who is so obviously irrational is allowed to post at this forum. :rolleyes:

Earthmother, your name calling is shameful as is your lack of knowledge of history. I would suggest that you research the stolen 1824 election as I have in order to learn the truth and to understand that the stolen 2000 election we witnessed directly parallels what happened with the stolen 1824 election. Why are you so opposed to this pivitol piece of history being revealed so that people of today are informed about it?

I'm not opposed to any piece of history being revealed on this board, and I'm well aware of what happened with Jackson, thanks in large part to your having repeated it umpteen times here in the last year or so. I apologize for my indiscretion (I should be more professional than that, being as I'm a moderator here), but honestly, Nancy, you repeat the same stuff over and over, accusing people of not being able to accept things, accusing them of not being Gore supporters, when the people you're accusing are not only avid Gore supporters, but are also well aware of all the facts you continue to say we don't accept.

What it comes down to is this: You set the bait; I couldn't resist. Sorry.

Sorry Earthmother but I think it's very sad that I have to keep repeating this important Andrew Jackson story over and over to a forum that's supposedly an Al Gore support forum. The Andrew Jackson story should be at the core of an Al Gore support forum's efforts but sadly, there are too many at this forum who believe that this important history should be swept under the rug.

Hi ya Gore2008 :) May I make a suggestion :?: (I understand your welcome to your opinion and thoughts) :) We AMERICANS and DEMOCRATS on this Al Gore Support Forum need to***THINK*** of the*** HERE AND NOW***! :clap: We "Al Gore" DEMOCRATS do have a PERFECT OPPORTUNITY to TAKE BACK THE WHITE HOUSE, CONGRESS and the "HEARTS AND SOULS" of our great country!!! WE CAN DO IT........TRUST ME!!!!!!! The TARGET is George W. Bush and all of his REPUBLICAN CRONIES! What HAPPENED "FOUR FRIGGIN YEARS AGO" has little impact on WHAT WILL HAPPEN THIS COMING NOVEMBER! :clap:

LET'S PUT "ALL OUR ENERGY AND STRENGTH" TOWARDS NOVEMBER!

THIS IS A GOOD THING :D :D :D :good:

BE "FOCUSED" ON THE FUTURE AND NOT THE PAST :clap:


QUESTION FOR "Gore2008": Do you WANT George W. Bush to WIN in 2004 :?:

PLEASE ANSWER THIS QUESTION WITH A "YES OR NO"

DON'T GIVE ME YOUR BULLSHIT...........JUST ANSWER THE FRIGGIN QUESTION!

IF IT IS "YES"...............THEN SHUT THE f*ck UP!


I****SAY****NO****BUSH****SUPPORTERS****HERE :angry: :angry: :angry:


You have a BEAUTIFUL day.................Andrew Paul(Posted Image)

Gore2008--It's not that we here have our heads in the sand or are unaware of the Andrew Jackson story or any of the other things you post about. You have made us all VERY aware of these issues, and we don't need to be continually reminded or told that we don't know what we're talking about. The Andrew Jackson story holds no bearing on the 2004 election. What happened with Gore in 2000 is done. There's no going back on that now, and even Gore himself doesn't want to. Read the article here or at AGDems from the New Yorker. It makes it very clear that Gore himself dropped the fight and didn't pursue all avenues available to him to challenge the election results. It was Gore's choice, for whatever reason. If again in the future we have the opportunity to work for Al Gore, then it'll be under different circumstances than it was in 2000. Until such time, we don't need to remain focused on what happened during that nightmare, because it is irrelevant to the current election.

What happened in 2000 will be relevant for every election we have from this point on, especially this one. Any American who can just forget that, and use what Gore did or did not do as an excuse to just say get over it, when this goes beyond even him, doesn't really know as much about this Democracy as they say, nor do they sound like they really care about all the Americans who were disenfranchised, and the murderers who were allowed to hijack our govt. That is not something you stick under a rug in the real America. And Al Gore did not "completely" rule out running again in the New Yorker Magazine, and his words in no way connotated he would rule it out based on HIM not wanting it. I took it more as him once again making a statement relating to the current atmosphere that denies men like him the chance to truly run a free and honest campaign. I suppose however, that one would tend to look at his words based on what they really want.

HEY "tired of the bs"! If things keep up THERE WON'T EVEN BE A "VALID" ELECTION come this NOVEMBER! How can YA COUNT THE VOTES IN FLORIDA? IF FLORIDA RESIDENTS DON'T HAVE HOMES?


There's a thought......................Andrew Paul(Posted Image)

The text of a letter former President Carter sent to Zell Miller over the weekend ...
You seem to have forgotten that loyal Democrats elected you as mayor and as state senator. Loyal Democrats, including members of my family and me, elected you as lieutenant governor and as governor. It was a loyal Democrat, Lester Maddox, who assigned you to high positions in the state government when you were out of office. It was a loyal Democrat, Roy Barnes, who appointed you as U.S. Senator when you were out of office. By your historically unprecedented disloyalty, you have betrayed our trust.
Great Georgia Democrats who served in the past, including Walter George, Richard Russell, Herman Talmadge, and Sam Nunn disagreed strongly with the policies of Franklin Roosevelt, Harry Truman, John Kennedy, Lyndon Johnson, and me, but they remained loyal to the party in which they gained their public office. Other Democrats, because of philosophical differences or the race issue, like Bo Callaway and Strom Thurmond, at least had the decency to become Republicans.
Everyone knows that you were chosen to speak at the Republican Convention because of your being a “Democrat,” and it’s quite possible that your rabid and mean-spirited speech damaged our party and paid the Republicans some transient dividends.
Perhaps more troublesome of all is seeing you adopt an established and very effective Republican campaign technique of destroying the character of opponents by wild and false allegations. The Bush campaign’s personal attacks on the character of John McCain in South Carolina in 2000 was a vivid example. The claim that war hero Max Cleland was a disloyal American and an ally of Osama bin Laden should have given you pause, but you have joined in this ploy by your bizarre claims that another war hero, John Kerry, would not defend the security of our nation except with spitballs. (This is the same man whom you described previously as “one of this nation's authentic heroes, one of this party's best-known and greatest leaders -- and a good friend.")
I, myself, never claimed to have been a war hero, but I served in the navy from 1942 to 1953, and, as president, greatly strengthened our military forces and protected our nation and its interests in every way. I don’t believe this warrants your referring to me as a pacificist.
Zell, I have known you for forty-two years and have, in the past, respected you as a trustworthy political leader and a personal friend. But now, there are many of us loyal Democrats who feel uncomfortable in seeing that you have chosen the rich over the poor, unilateral preemptive war over a strong nation united with others for peace, lies and obfuscation over the truth, and the political technique of personal character assassination as a way to win elections or to garner a few moments of applause. These are not the characteristics of great Democrats whose legacy you and I have inherited.
I contacted President Carter's office for comment and his press spokesperson Deanna Congileo told me that the letter was a private communication and that President Carter would not be issuing further comment.
-- Josh Marshall
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/...9_05.php#003438

Dear tired of the bs--You have managed to completely twist around my words and my intent. There's no point trying to defend against that, except to say that you should read what I said more carefully. What happened in the election of 2000 will always be relevant in the sense that: 1) the course of this country's history was forever changed; and 2) we need to heed the lessons of that election to be sure it doesn't happen again. But for John Kerry, in this election that's coming up, what happened to Al Gore in 2000 is no longer on the table. That's all I meant by that. Hopefully Kerry will use the lessons of 2000 to his advantage. Beyond that, we need to focus now on Nov. 2, knowing that every vote must be counted, and doing everything we can to see to it that it is.

No one is suggesting that we ever forget what happened in 2000. And no one said anything about Gore not running again. He said he expects that he won't. But he's leaving the door open. We'll deal with all that on Nov. 3, depending on what happens.

Meanwhile, we have a President to elect.

Wow, guess who our guest is? Jan! Talk about a flip flopper. Jan, if you are going to leave, please stay gone. If you are going to stay and post, stay. Just quit doing these drive by posts. We don't need constant drop in's by you to get fights going.

You left, again, on your own. People are tired of your tactics. Your constant hostile posts do not help anything and will no longer be tolerated here. We have a good atmosphere going and no one is going to stop it.

Didn't Jan once say that after the convention she would suspend her activities and support Kerry. Doesn't sound like it to me.