Prosperity for all: Here's the plan

[Texan for Gore]

I would add that we need to include plans for a greener infrastructure, including the expansion of wind and solar energy.

http://www.aflcio.org/Blog/Economy/Prosper...Here-s-the-Plan

[ReElectAlGore2016]

once every tea party person, libertarian and republican is voted out of office, perhaps the Union busting will stop.

Union built America
every idiot on the other side has attempted to break one union after another

UNION-a proud word and the most patriotic one

get rid of republicans and their extremist side groups and bring glory back to America in the form of strong unions.

Get out of office, the Chris Christie who decided to forgo a new works program to bring a new tunnel from NJ to NY that already was paid for, one that would help get rid of the need to drive into the city.
All the money was there, yet Christie blew that one big time.
that is just one of many examples.

Unions are another example of how democrats and republicans are not the same.
Obama haters be damned.

[Wayne in WA State]

Some great ideas in the AFL-CIO plan. :good:

[Texan for Gore]

That's an interesting concept, Clay. What would things be like if we got all republicans voted out of office? :rolleyes:

I think a good first step to getting more republicans out of office would be to push for legislation that the people want. Following this Prosperity for all plan might be a good place to start.

And I agree, Wayne.

[ReElectAlGore2016]

the democrats have one plan after another yet hate radio and the haterightwing makes the NRAright cower in fear of unions with hate racist words and code words that make it seem if unions were monsters under everyones bed waiting to kill off everything

Use the personal tidbit again I used elsewhere in the past- both my rightwing inlaws (my ArchieBunker type father in law now deceased) were union.
Both got permanent disability from guess what, UNIONS.

both hate unions and when I tell them they are hypocrits well, I am like Meathead to my own Archie and they don't get it.
Because dadinlaw was obsessed with the hate media, and mominlaw followed whatever he said(though decades earlier she was pre-Reagan, more liberal.

the right has made unions into a racial aspect.Pity the fools on the right, as they need unions as much as those on the left, and they are too stupid to realize it.
Pity us liberals, for we have to lose the greatness unions brought to America, due to the fools on the right.

Of course the AFL-CIO has great ideas. Good luck getting Rand Paul or Ted Cruz to agree to one word of what they say, as they mask their extreme radical rightwingism under the guise of the flag and the constitution they appear to never have read.

So tell me texanforgore-how will this congress get anything passed, when indeed one bill after another is killed in the house that Harry Reid brings up, and who knows how many others they don't bother with knowing the end result will lead to nothing. America is in crisis, because obstructionism leads to nothing but a rundown slum(which the right then uses to blame on Obama for the rights platform of bringing him down.)

texanforgore-sometimes I think you want each and every (and only the )democrat to leave town, based on the way you converse, as opposed to the bettering of America.
BTW as you are from texas- can't believe there is not one viable democrat to run for senate against the teaparty loon...if you think Rick Perry is bad, his backed candidate was alot saner than the nutjob who benefited from the stupid runoff system.
You see, the fallacy in a run-off separate election if one don't get 50% is the nutjobs have time to amass the worldwide funds to upset
(but then you have people like you tex, that will say Dehurst was the status quo
and you are happy the outsider won :wtf: :spikey: :mad:

(no you didn't say those specific words tex, but day in, day out, you spew words that mean exactly that, much as you will deny it.)
In one case after another, this "status quo" cleansing you keep saying you want, leads to worse and worse,
Can't you see what those words are doing to America??? (no obviously you can't, and you are about the only one on the AGCS that believes what you believe.)

WHY??? :wtf:...

This post has been edited by ReElectAlGore2016 on Aug 1 2012, 01:12 AM

[Texan for Gore]

You know, Clay, you give democracy a bad name. It just chaps your butt that I won't tow the status quo line - or that I support people's right to vote for the candidate of their choice. I thought democratic ideology was about supporting the rights and views of all people - not just those that agree with you. But one sure couldn't tell by your anti-democracy sentiments. It's no wonder people don't feel like they fit in in either party.

BTW, this thread is not about the NRA, so please stay on topic. :tongue:

Checkmate.

[ReElectAlGore2016]

you are for non-status quo, which means anarchy, and which means you are happy Cruz won in Texas.
you can't have it both ways

and everything that leads to prosperity for all(of course you don't want prosperity for all, as you hate the rich, but all=all, oops.)

and those killed by legal guns cannot live long and prosper, as they is dead. oops.

Glad you are happy the Tea Party non-status quo won...I can't think of any American democratic lover is happy about the racist, anti-semite, anti-gay, anti-woman tea party securing the important senator position in Texas. But those that want to screw the status quo are giddy like a school girl today I guess. Glad you are giddy Texan4gore.

because well, your words have meaning, and this is indeed what you are saying when you repeat without even thinking those silly inane stupid soundbytes of screwing the rich.
BTW, was ina hospital yesterday and happened to read on the walls, of the entranceway some of the documents there, and this building and that building and donations to the hospital. I guess you would want those people who are rich to just up and die...
rigid absolutionism, like the tea party that is attempting to bring down Obama.


btw, did you hear the complete crap that congressman from the republican/tea/libertarian party was saying with zero facts in his head (from one of those great conspiracy theory sites I guess) about Obama and the protectors of our great nation? What utter filth and racist crap they are spewing.

Those that keep whining about liberty and consittution are like those that yap all day about sex, just not getting it in either case.
I am surprised you are not on livyjr's board...what with his closed minded utter hatred of Obama and his bullcrap about the status quo.

Seems the founding fathers were all status quo in that they compromised to achieve togetherness and the nation. But then those that spew about liberty,freedom and the constitution actually hate the founding fathers, but love to use them, don't they texan4gore?

freedom's just another word for some rightwing extremist to enter a movie theatre and kill the constitutional rights of life and the pursuit of happiness to the entire audience.

[Texan for Gore]

Deja moo: the feeling that I've heard this bull before.... :rolleyes:

There you go again. Speaking out against the status quo does NOT mean anarchy. It means I don't support the corrupt corporations or the corporatacracy that our government has become. (Think TFG's middle finger philosophy --> It's only bad if used in a bad way.) Sure, I'm all for prosperity for all, but as Bernie Sanders recently pointed as, the Walton family has more wealth than the bottom 40% of people combined. Apparently, you are only for selective prosperity.

I don't give a flying fig about the tea party. So go be giddy yourself.

Your words have meaning too. It means what is good for the goose is not good for the gander. You are only for selective rights. You are for abortion rights, but not for self-defense. You don't hold shooters accountable for their actions, just the gun. I will support gun rights as long as there are loons that get guns and rape elderly women (one just two houses down from my mom. She has the right to protect herself should someone mean her harm.) We already have gun laws and while law-abiding citizens will abide by the law, the loons won't. They will find a way to a gun, no matter how many gun laws there are. So I'm certainly not going to deny law-abiding people the right to protect themselves.

What's all the bad-mouthing about livyjr now? I thought he was your best buddy??? Nope, I don't want anything to do with livyjr or any board he might have, but you go ahead.

[ReElectAlGore2016]

You are using racist ideas here. It's a shame you don't realize it.
and no, the former board member I knew is not whatever gave you that idea? That was years and years ago.
He was part of the mission to destroy cgcs and he succeeded but his views on blacks and women are impossible to tolerate.And his treatment of non-USA citizens is something else(especially women in Canada).
Can't condone that.(And I feel abused for what happened to me).
I was being told I was being set up, but then I was naive, but yup, ayuh, I sure was set up.
You can google his name and his new "secure" place where is the Lord of the Net and deletes any/all who don't have HIS view (ala 100% censorship in the guise of freedom.)

Hey billfmsd- if you are out there somewhere, would love to continue to the conversation we were having before that other place was shut down. Damn thing is how "freedom" showed a site could end and every single post over almost a decade was completely gone, not google saved as we were told. Just give a clue that the regular person would not know to show you are indeed the real billfmsd.

that place was a good lesson in not thinking a board is a way to move ahead, because the pro's that were there towards the end, did anything and everything to shut up people, and succeeded. No longer was my signature there able to be read instantly when it was open, which was why ending up taking the board down (and having nothing to do with the owner) worked well, didn't it?
That is your "other way" you are inferring texan4gore.
Bullying to get the dems and repubs both shut-down for 100% anarchy.

glad your type views got Cruz elected in getting rid of the status quo.

sad that you (unless you are pulling a fast one tex,) just do not understand you are saying that...either you are naive...or well, there is only one other answer.

It took a long time to figure out why Al Gore would not run independent...because Al Gore is a 100% lifetime democrat and was not about to renounce his heritage

Democrat or democrat supporters only.

[Texan for Gore]

No Clay, I am not using racist ideas. You are just seeing what you want to see. It's a shame that you let your own biases define everyone else, just to suit your agenda.

What you see is what you get with me. I always try to be straight forward about how I feel about something - what I think is right and wrong - but it seems you want to impose your own beliefs of what a "real" democrat is on me. In other words, if I don't tow the party line to the T, then I'm not a loyal democrat. And the ironic thing is that you haven't always been the perfect dem yourself, like how you used to talk about the Clintons. But yet, you expect me to be perfect. You certainly don't have any expectations of our democratic leadership though, even when they stray from democratic ideas. Talk about a double standard. <_< Sometimes I wish I could be that perfect dem, just to please others, but that would be disingenous, wouldn't it?

Al Gore got it right when he said it is hard to get someone to understand something when their job depends on them NOT understanding it. Just like you mentioned friends in the banking industry. Well, of course, you're not going to be against the big banks, but look how it and Wall Street has affected our economy. For all I know, you may make your money on Wall Street. So you can't exactly be objective, can you? And I think this is the big problem with many issues we face. Too many people work in jobs that go against what we should be trying to do - such as those in the oil and gas industry, medical, pharmaceutical and insurance jobs, criminal justice and prison jobs, power plant jobs, etc.

You mentioned your Archie Bunker type fil who is now gone. When you think of all the debates y'all had over the years, do you ever question was it worth it? I mean, look at how we all argue over certain issues in politics, meanwhile Rome is burning (referring to the climate crisis). We all need to come together to work on the things that need to be done and put the less important stuff to the side. Wasn't it just in India the other day that 600 million were without electricity? How long will we keep shooting ourselves in the foot before we realize we are bleeding? Time is of the essence.

You are always talking about how I supposedly look backwards, claiming a racist reasoning behind it. Yet, I am remembering simpler times, before our instant gratification society and enjoying the small things, time with family, and how people took pride in their work. I walk in our Courtroom and admire the wood carving of the benches. Nowadays people just throw stuff together. You yourself have referred to times when people used to sit "on the stoop" and visit with one another. Those were times when people didn't have to worry about locking their doors. Those were times when I used to go to the store barefooted. There is nothing racist about being nostalgic.

As for the former member at the other board, yes, you did used to be good friends. I remember - and I used to point out how I thought it was racist - the picture he used to post of Obama in those long gold chains, but you defended him. I don't think too highly of someone like him that once wished a hot poker up someone's a$$. But that was your buddy. I always wondered how you could just accept the things he said about Obama, yet you raked me over the coals for my valid concerns. Despite being upset with Obama, I feel like I've always addressed my concerns respectfully and did not call him names, etc. Yet, I'm supposed to be perfect. You do a good job of alienating people from the party.

As for the other board, I always wondered what happened to it. It was irritating, because it went down right after I resubbed and I never got any refund or any explanation of why it went down.

[ReElectAlGore2016]

I wasn't defending his viewpoint, but his right to his belief and attempting and it was the fraility of not wanting to upset him that I shut up and didn't say anything in public about it.Which I would not today do.

The stoop concept was one like a city block,either many houses next to each other, or apartment buildings, where one tenant/owner of the house does not have any idea who is in the other buildings, and it was a place to sit talk, argue politics,etc. (unlike today where guns are allowed in bars(but not in NY or NJ) and its not the petty crime, or gang crime, its the common people who blow each other up with the guns/bullets while arguing who is better Paul or John in the Beatles.
It was one day I realized I was being used when I asked if he listened to that song I posted, assuming wrongly he took a few seconds to at least hear a snippet of each post, as I did with his songs, and he bluntly said he never listened to anything posted and only listened to bluegrass on Sundays and classical every other moment.(so it was all based on lies, lies, lies).
That event was very disillusioning.(again naive.)

One needs to stop comparing yesterday(we all have idealized standards about the past and how we view it, it is comfort food to all of us individually that the past was better(however, it never was better, only memories play tricks and remember what we want to remember when our grandparents and great grandparents, and parents all were here and all our friends were little kids.
Magical times in our minds when indeed, mom and dad (or whomever bought one up) kept the outside worlds problems away.
Back then we just went outside and magically our friends appeared, no cell phones, no text, no computer, no set dates, just voila, a certain time of the day and everyone appeared outside ready to play.

This is 2012. Those days are gone.
When looking at it right now, and the economy it is said is rising at 1.5%,some see a horrible numbers.
Others think, well it was negative 10% just five years or eight years back, so 1.5 looks pretty good.
Or the market is now 12,000 not 13,000.
Yet how long ago was it it was at 8000 or 9000 or 10000?
12,000 sure looks fine to me when compared to 8000.

No, I did NOT know or was friends with the top level of bankers or wallstreet firm CEOs, you keep distorting that. (and no I am not into stocks at all.)
I was friends with 9 to 5 regular people on wall street and banks, who earned a regular wage, and yes, as part of their job got a few weeks salary as bonus in the good years.(bonus they depended on as part of their yearly salary total, which was of course taxed just like a weekly check).
I also know the upper 10 people in 10 corporations get more, but firing them just leads to another 10, all of whom are at the beck and call of the shareholders not the workers and in a capitalist society that won't change.

I love unions but the republican/tea/libertarians hate unions, even though they don't realize the should love them too.
And if everyone had a good job, crime would be non-existent on the street except of course for drug addicts who need big money a job don't support(and its the rich in tony neighborhoods that are the addicts who need the drugs and pay bigtime, not the poor.(like the commercial that if 50% come from the regular areas of the big city, where do you think the other 50% come from?
Mob crime(and the mob is the same as gangs, but today, gangs are meant to conjure up a stereotyped minority racist view, as is the drug cartel(which in reality is funded and run and is the mob itself). Those are not the common criminal, petty street crime, muggers, etc.(Anyone thinking a gun will save them from the mob or gang is nuts-the gang will avenge it, the mob will avenge it, like they did when a neighbor accidentally ran over the kid of a top mobster 20 years ago, and found himself months later, in a vat of acid or something similiar, even though it was an accident runover of a kid on a bike darting in front of a car.)

If you are romantic about old times, remember this- back then almost everyone was drafted for two years at least, and that took almost ALL kids out of the ranks of job seekers or the unemployed, and those jobs went to adults
Now there is no draft so there are all that many more people looking and unemployed.
So many jobs then, are obsolete in 2012 yet the money to retrain is taken away by the republican tea party loyalists, then those same people whine.
Unions are busted not broadened, the common person has no one to back them when the union is gone.

Unions are the single greatest equalizer for the 99%(your terms) to deal with the 1%

and you keep forgetting, in NYC(though they have moved to many other states),
those bankers and wall street firms employ 100s of thousands of people, all would be unemployed and/or working at WalMart for minimum wage with no benefits.
The 100s of thousands of real hard working 9 to 5ers got great benefits from wall street (including very cheap to the person insurance paid for 90% by the company.

you cannot stereotype those into being bad.

And as far as censorship went, getting that old board to shut down by lack of and well coordinated efforts of the posters on the right to not fund the board shows how easily ones ability to "freedom" on the web went away

And I don't think you personally were on the original Kerry board, (from the time Al didn't run, and the others one by one dropped out, leaving Kerry as the 04 nominee) where, the John Edwards junkies/fanatics got all those opposed to Edwards wanting someone else, especially Wes Clark at the time, me I wanted Bob Graham, and, got all of them to step over that "civil" line suspended, making it seem like there was a nationwide run of Edwards fans...(though...
not to the knowledge of, or any doing of the owner of the board,but from what I was told by a former moderator over there later on, all those people who thought they were in 2004 being heard, it turned out, back then in Spring/SUmmer/Oct/Nov2004 that the boards were hidden from mass public view, unbenknowst to any of the posters, who actually thought they were contributing in the early days of the mass internet social media.
But it showed that people could easily be shut down from expressing their individual thoughts at a snap of their fingers.

So much so, that most of the people did not go out and do what they normally had done every presidential election in the towns across America, and who knows, that could have cost votes-
moreso though, it caused major exodus of people probably who dropped out of politics, disillusioned and all by what went down.

as President Obama said, Forward (not backward).
and for every complaint you have, there were 10 positives that far outweigh those you do not like when you speak in absolutes like you do.
It's been 50 years since LBJ got any movement on health care for instance and everyone dem/repub in the years since before Obama got nothing.

Something always is better than nothing.

we could/should probably take the discussion of prior/other boards to the off topic section and we probably can have a long discussion on it, but from one day to the next, it was 100% gone, and no longer could you even find a cache version of that board, let alone what probably everyone had saved in their PM box, all their "friends and contacts" info etc because most thought if nothing else, you would be able to find that stuff forever cached on the net.
Very few posts remain, and only really if one finds it posted as a cut/paste somewhere else or an individual page comes up, but not the conversation.
(BTW, I saved the entire stoop thread cut/pasted and could re-create that in its entirety if I ever wanted to waste a few days time wise, but to what point and why would I waste the time? And I did have a place that only me/him posted on, again the timeline shows it, and he has his own solo place with some other names there but only those he personally accepts can even sign up, and use the pm to contact those people one might want to. No dissent is allowed(if one reads that place, he immediately comes down with a shovel over the head of anyone who opposes a viewpoint
So the irony in Yup/Ayuh was indeed amazing.

see, here you and I can argue opposing viewpoints :tongue: :clap: to a point.
And most spots on the net, only have one viewpoint that has to be towed.
When the gun loving Yosemite Sam lookalike "friend" there got to be a three week only moderator and first thing NRA man did was kick me out, well, that alone spoke wonders to the other members for corruption of power, didn't it?


as for your asking, was it worth it to argue or discuss with family politics or whatever discussion ...well, that means all discussions should not be done, and you have to remember, he under his breathe started in with me, more often than not, wanting to discuss (like at a bar, or on a stoop talking sports or what was better Dallas(yea) or Dynasty (nay)
If you stop conversing on those subjects, it leads to any subject being shut down,
and you smile and nod and say nice weather/bad weather (but never mention climate change) and can't wait to leave because one can only do the smallest of small talk or run through what happened in the family the last month

it leads to yup/ayuh and nothing more (or maybe bringing a book to the dinner and sitting there and just reading so there is no talk at all).

Now, is being against Obama because he went from a negative economy to a 1.5 measly gain worth having back in office, what got us the bad times to begin with?
I think not.
As there are 2 choices (as they found out in Texas senator race and will now have a teaparty senator) was it worth it when that will add a fourth tea party person to just pick up their checks by doing absolutely nothing for the next 6 years?

Life is short. 6 years is a big chunk of time in ones life to have nothing accomplished because of these rightwing extremists. America would never have been built had it been that way from the start.
AS someone said, if the people from the Boston Tea party saw these tea party people, those tea party people would have thrown these tea party people into the sea instead of tea.

[Wayne in WA State]

Remember to play nice kids, you have more in common than you realize.. ;)

[Texan for Gore]

As always, Wayne, you are the voice of reason. :good:

I am limited on time right now, but I will come back later this evening and give you an adequate response to your post, Clay. There are many points to touch on and I am snowed under right now. :!: To be continued..... :D

[Texan for Gore]

I could probably move these last few posts to a new off-topic thread, Clay, but I don't know what to call it. Any ideas?

Anyway, you and Liv seemed to be the example of how two people with opposite views could get along, up until the end. You both seemed to respect each other, despite differing views, and it did not seem like Livy was setting you up. I thought y'alls friendship was genuine. I can understand your feeling of disillusionment though and know the feeling.

That place was supposed to be about finding common ground which is sorely needed in the world today. Remember the thread I started about labels? Even though I consider myself a moderate, progressive dem, I really don't like labels all that much because they seem to serve the purpose of dividing people rather than bringing them together. It really seems not much different than dividing people by race, sex, cultures, religions, etc. Rather than spending time arguing about how we are different or have different views, people should think about how they are alike and what common goals they may share, what they could compromise on, etc.

The stoop in your day would be like the drag in my day, except when we were young, we didn't spend so much time talking about politics. It was more about watching for that special guy or girl. :rolleyes: Of course, most of those businesses on the drag are now closed. One advantage you have, living in a big city, is you can get together with people and discuss issues of the day - or used to anyway. Why is it that people get so upset and fight about trivial things anyway, that they resort to violence? For all our advancements, it seems many are no more tolerant than they used to be. And why the turn to violence? That's what I would like to know - why is violence so common these day? Hence, that's why I raise the question of our violence culture in movies, etc.

I realize that the past wasn't always a bed of roses. There were plenty of problems back then, except they weren't as publicized or talked about. But the family unit was more intact. Mothers generally did not work outside the home. Don't get me wrong though. There are pros and cons of mothers working outside the home now. But families did have more time together back then. The way we acquire things nowadays, we have to spend more time working to pay for those things.

And yes, kids did play more together in the past, rather than spending their time on video games and the computer. And again, I enjoy surfing the net myself, but there's both good and bad in these things. Advancement and technology is not always what it's cracked up to be.

As far as the economy, I wish I could be as optimistic about it as you. And I am not putting down Obama in that statement. Even Krugman talks about the serious state of our economy. It's been an ongoing problem since Bush got into office. And the constant gridlock in Washington is doing nothing to help the situation.

As I've said about Wall Street before, I just want to see it work honestly. Heck, institute that trading tax. It's less than half of a percent but could do a lot of good for our economy. Is that too much to ask? If our politicians care anything about our country, which I seriously wonder about, especially with republicans since they want to outsource all our jobs and they don't want to contribute to the system by paying taxes. I just get tired of the blatant greed.

Getting back to the issue of the other board, I liked the concept of finding common ground. It's a shame that it never was quite successful though. There were some good people there - on both side of the issues. You have to admit, it's a bit difficult to have two different moderators that are completely opposite of each other - one to the far left and one to the far right. Both had difficulty moderating objectively. And even though you and Steve disagreed a lot, heck, even I disagreed with him when it came to the climate issue, but I still think he was a good guy. Now he's gone. I'd rather remember that you guys both enjoyed baseball rather than your political differences. He died in October, shortly before his Cards met the Rangers in the World Series. Oh, how I wanted the Rangers to win the W.S. (they were so close!!!), but I can't help but feel the Cards win was for Steve, so there will be another time for the Rangers.

And I suppose you are right about the discussions between you and your fil. He probably enjoyed the back and forth. It was probably better than having no conversation with him at all or just weather talk. I enjoyed talking politics with my fil, but we usually agreed, unlike you guys. We both disliked Bush and he used to call him a draft dodger. I often wonder what his opinion of Obama would have been...

Well, I've probably missed some points but that was a long dang post you wrote. As you sure you're not related to Chad? :laugh:

I'm gonna have to wrap this up for now, but I'm sure I'll think of more to say later. :rolleyes:

[ReElectAlGore2016]

I will respond to the response later, just want to make a point here.
don't start a new thread yet, have a couple of ideas might pm you actually about.

one thing I want to say, and this is a shout out to
as this site is googled and picks up words/posts maybe he will see it, or someone else will tell him (or billfmsd, or others and they can join our conversations )
(if one googles their board names or other board members, they show up in google search, good way to attempt to find old friends or family members).

arneoker from cgcs (where i was g4a)
arneoker was the moderator (when he was a mod), who was fair to all sides, and hard on all sides, and was able to bring an out of whack thread back to the topic.
Later on he no longer wished to moderate, and became arneoker the poster revealing more to his political views he had kept in check.
I found him to be extremely knowledgeable, and not only because he shared his love of LBJ with me (who is a very appropriate name for 2012 spanning the decades.)

would love to be able to converse with him again, and even have another lunch together.

Back to LBJ and his relevance and its tie in with memories of the past.

You know, JFK gets all the love and memories shift/focus on what JFK's dream (or was it Bobby's dreams and Bobby's quote which now all blends into the one...

JFK had ideas, but for all the memories, JFK was a regular democrat from a democratic family and not an outside tear down the party to run solo person.
People's memories of JFK and romantic ideas about him lead many to think he was a super liberal.
Funny thing is LBJ was far far more liberal than the Kennedy's were and LBJ implemented things I do not believe the Kennedy's actually would have achieved, even though it took JFK to be gone, to achieve the wonderful things LBJ did in congress (through both having the capital and spending it on his personal belief in what he wanted (and disreagard and lets not argue about Vietnam, which brought LBJ down to the detriment of the entire party and the USA because of the later hatred of LBJ's events in Vietnam.)

it all applies to 2012.
1968 showed what not to do politically.
let's hope throughout 2012 the lesson of 1968 will be learned and none of it is repeated.

btw texan4gore-
again, a bit off topic, but maybe not-
Charlie Crist has endorsed Florida senator Democrat Nelson for reelection in what will be a nailbiter down there, and what would be a big help for democrats to keep control of the senate
Say what you want about me, but if Charlie had prevailed against Scott, the world would be much better place. Meeks ego and the nudges from whomever, were the sole cause of Rubio getting a job, to the detriment of the nation.
(and this ties in with yesterdays win by the tea party in the primary.)

anyhow arneoker if you are able to see this, a big Hello and hope you are having a great summer. After all, arneoker, you were it turned out 100% correct! :laugh: