Hillary Clinton/Biden 2016 after Obama reelected, -to help complete the job needed

[ReElectAlGore2016]

assuming we take Al to his not running again, I think the best 2016 ticket to be able to win (and that is what is important, not the wedge issues, the petty in-fighting, etc.) but the ability to win on merits would be
Hillary Clinton and to have Joe Biden remain as Vice President (he has proven to be a great one.)

I do not think Joe has the strength needed to win the Presidency against the others,
I am not enthusiastic about Andrew Cuomo (and if Hillary remains a New York resident, she could not pick Andrew as her VP anyhow), and I still remember Mario's backing out of both the presidency and as a Supreme Court nominee for whatever reason it was, but if there was something in the closet, well, Andrew will have that same problem.

I do not like the fact that Elizabeth Warren can only muster a tie in the polls while having the full backing and money, she should be ahead by ten points or more, and even if she wins, it will be very close, and she will then be needed to remain in the Senate to help the Dems keep the senate.

And achievement wise, she does not issue to issue come close to Hillary's accomplishments in life.

I fully think Hillary is running, she was born to run in 2016 so to say, and it's in her and she will do it (no one will admit it in 2012 they are running in 2016.)

But the main object is the democrats have to roll out with their best arsenal possible, and Hillary (like Bill and Obama) know how to win.(regardless of the highly unusual 2008 race, where IMHO Obama won doing the same thing Hillary would have done to McCain or any other challenger, and as it turns out, Hillary coming after Obama will be far better for the nation and Hillary, as she will much more easily be able to accomplish things the republicans have not allowed Obama to do (IMHO).

Hillary will also be dealing with a congress far different than the one now that Obama has stopping his every move. Because the repubs are, like happened when Newt Gingrich overdid his stopping everything, will have to come to their senses or retire by then. People want action, not obstruction (as Bill Clinton proved in 1996.)

So unless Joe Biden is named to Hillary's current position, Joe as VP would be perfect. (no he is not too old, and neither is she.)

A woman needs to be elected president, and the democrats need to be the side that does it.

[Wayne in WA State]

We will see how things shake out. It could be Hillary as the nominee if she wants it. What a turnaround from a couple years ago for Clay to be a Hillary admirer. Of course, what I'd really like to see is an Al Gore/Hillary Clinton ticket. :D

[ReElectAlGore2016]

first of thousands of polls for 2016 nominations-and as Hillary runs away with it, and Biden is by far in second, why not a Hillary/Biden ticket.
(sounds great to me...complete the job Obama started).
Meanwhile on the right, when Huckabee and Jeb sound sane, look out world.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/burns-haberm...ose-129823.html

PPP: Iowa is Hillary's to lose
By ALEXANDER BURNS | 7/23/12 3:33 PM EDT

Because the 2012 race, on its own, doesn't provide enough fodder for speculation, the Democratic firm Public Policy Polling takes a look at the 2016 caucuses on both sides:

Clinton tops Vice President Joe Biden 60-18, with no one else even approaching 5%. New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo and Massachusetts Senate candidate Elizabeth Warren each have 3%, Montana Gov. Brian Schweitzer and Virginia Sen. Mark Warner are at 1%, and Maryland Gov. Martin O’Malley and Massachusetts Gov. Deval Patrick register almost no support. 14% favor someone else or are not sure.

The victors of the two most recent Republican caucuses, Mike Huckabee and Rick Santorum, are tied at 17%, with New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie right on their tails at 16%, Kentucky Sen. Rand Paul at 11%, Florida Sen. Marco Rubio at 10%, former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush at 8%, Wisconsin Rep. Paul Ryan at 6%, and Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker and former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin each at 4%, with only 8% not behind a candidate.

If Clinton did not run, Biden would lead Cuomo 36-14, with Warren at 8% and the others still in the low single digits. Without Biden, Cuomo leads Warren 20-11.


So the bottom line, for whatever it's worth, is that absent a Clinton candidacy you've got a wide-open race on both sides. The Palin fade -- from national conservative superstar to sub-5-percenter in Iowa -- is a remarkable side note.

[ReElectAlGore2016]

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0712/78942.html

N.Y. poll: Hillary, not Cuomo, for prez

By: Tim Mak
July 25, 2012 06:35 AM EDT

New York voters like the job Gov. Andrew Cuomo is doing in Albany, but a majority think Hillary Clinton would make a better president than he, according to a new Quinnipiac poll out Wednesday.

Cuomo has a sky-high 73 percent approval rating, and only 16 percent of those surveyed disapprove of his tenure as governor. The wide approval includes thumbs-up from 69 percent of Republicans, only 19 percent of whom disapprove of Cuomo’s performance.

But Empire State voters believe, 54 percent to 34 percent, that Clinton would make a better president than Cuomo, according to the survey.

Indeed, only 36 percent of New York state voters want Cuomo to run for president in 2016, compared to 39 percent who say he shouldn’t run; 40 percent say he’d make a good president, compared to 30 percent who say he would not.

“New York voters don’t accept ‘father knows best’ when it comes to Gov. Andrew Cuomo for President in 2016. Former governor and current First Father Mario Cuomo has floated the idea, but New Yorkers clearly aren’t ready to talk yet about Andrew Cuomo and the White House in the same breath,” said Maurice Carroll, director of the Quinnipiac University Polling Institute.

On the other hand, New York state voters believe, 61 percent to 34 percent, that Secretary of State Hillary Clinton would make a good president.

Meanwhile, President Barack Obama continues to beat former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney in the 2012 presidential race among New York State voters: Obama leads Romney 55 percent to 32 percent.

The Quinnipiac survey was conducted July 17-23, with a sample of 1,779 New York state voters and a margin of plus or minus 2.3 percentage points.

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This post has been edited by ReElectAlGore2016 on Jul 25 2012, 10:53 AM