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 How will you feel if Obama is not re-elected?
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Posted: Feb 29 2012, 10:51 PM
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From Democrats for Progress. If you had any doubts about re-electing Obama, please read this:

We All Have a Choice in the 2012 Election
By Joan Ruaiz, on September 3rd, 2011


YES, WE DO!

My choice come November 6, 2012 will not be a surprise, as I will vote to re-elect the incumbent President, Barack Obama.

The reasons why I will work hard to re-elect the President and try to give him an overwhelming congressional majority in both the House and the Senate are very clear to me, and self-serving as they are, I believe my actions will also benefit a majority of Americans; even those who don’t quite know it yet. By reading the rest of my commentary, the reasons for my stubborn partisan stance will be made clear, and as the election cycle progresses, I shall often make myself clearer still.

What I’d like folks to envision in the meantime is what would happen if progressives woke up the morning of November 7th, and reality hit that the President-elect is not Barack Obama?

Sure, some on the Left would feel vindicated to witness Barack Obama defeated, believing that they had won the battle of “principles” they’d waged for four years to show President Obama their disappointment in him. They would inevitably blame him for their choice not to donate, not to work, and/or simply not to have voted.

I believe, however, for those progressives willing to be intellectually honest, and who understand the concrete reality of political consequences (see Election 2010), we must also be willing to ask ourselves hard questions before the election, as opposed to after the fact.

You see, these questions will be answered regardless, either now, or for four long years (or eight even longer years) following November 6th.

Again, if the worse-case scenario were to occur and we end up with a President other than Barack Obama (which is not out of the realm of possibility, as there are powerful forces working hard on this as we speak), what will happen then?

Some will say that my questions are nothing more than my cynical attempt to use fear, but I strongly disagree. I am only asking you to picture what could very well happen. If it is something to fear, you should duly note it.

I respectfully suggest that some of the questions we should all ask ourselves, especially those who haven’t already done so, are as follows:

How will you feel when the new President nominates partisan cabinet members like Phil Gramm for Treasury, Jeb Bush for the Justice Department, John Kasich for the Office of Management and Budget, Scott Walker for Labor Secretary, Paul Ryan for Health and Human Services, Rudy Giuliani as Secretary of State, John McCain as Secretary of Defense, and Newt Gingrich as UN Ambassador? Sure, it may not be those particular ideologues in those exact positions; in fact, it could be worse still. Keep that in mind.

How will you feel when the new President gets a chance to replace Justice Kennedy, or worse yet, Justices Breyer and Ginsberg? What about all of the other judicial nominees that the new President will get to choose?

How will you feel when the new President gets to sign into law the privatization of Social Security?

How will you feel when the new President gets to sign the the age increase for Medicare eligibility, and the cutting of benefits for seniors?

How will you feel when the new President decides to nominate folks over at the FCC who would vote against Net Neutrality? How mad would you be if the Internet became less of a factor for free speech, and more of a factor for message manipulation and propaganda?

How will you feel when the new President eliminates the mortgage modification partnership it has with banks, and you are back to being underwater, left to drown… on your own?

How will you feel when the new President re-instates the reproductive gag order on Third-World countries?

How will you feel when the new President dismantles the new Consumer Financial Protection Bureau?

How will you fee when the new President pushes to reverse the Credit Card Accountability, Responsibility and Disclosure (CARD) Act?

How will you feel when the new President works to reverse Dodd-Frank?

How will you feel when the new President rescinds benefits to same-sex partners of federal employees?

How will you feel when the new President reduces or eliminates the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (aka Food Stamps)?

How will you feel when the new President doesn’t extend unemployment insurance for the unemployed, and won’t compromise on the issue whatsoever?

How will you feel when the new President reverses policy advances made in our relations with Cuba?

How will you feel when the new President signs the bill repealing the Affordable Care Act, and thereby nullifies the ability for patients who have pre-existing conditions to be covered by insurance companies?

How will you feel when the new President re-establishes a middleman for student loans?

How will you feel when the new President refuses to hold any discussion with labor, or to have anything to do with them?

How will you feel when the new President ignores the United Nations, and becomes their nemesis?

How will you feel when the new President decides that the Afghanistan timetable for bringing our troops home shouldn’t be followed?

How will you feel when the new President reverses the ban on torture?

How will you feel when the new President resumes the Star Wars program?

How will you feel when the new President cuts federal education spending, and pushes vouchers?

How will you feel when the new President declines to identify who comes to the White House?

How will you feel when the new President pushes to reverse the FDA tobacco disclosure rules?

How will you feel when the new President advocates to deny national funding to NPR and Planned Parenthood, and the National Endowment for the Arts?

How will you feel when the new President increases taxes on the working poor, and decreases taxes on corporations, capital gains and the estate tax?

How will you feel when the new President pushes to abolish the EPA, the Department of Education, and the FAA?

How will you feel when the new President denies climate change?

How will you feel when the new President sells federal lands to pay down the deficit?

How will you feel when the new President advocates for corporations’ right to accelerate mountain-top removal, and assures oil companies that they have nothing to fear in reference to their subsidies?

How will you feel when the new President decides to push for a DOMA-style Constitutional amendment?

How will you feel when you have to look at this new President on the television. a President who talks in bumper sticker slogans, while being divisive. ideologically driven, and grossly arrogant, and who governs with regard to his own base and not all Americans?

As importantly, how will you feel that you didn’t do everything possible to assist in the 2012 re-election campaign because you rationalized that there was nothing good you could say about President Barack Obama, or you conveniently convinced yourself that someone else would handle your share (or so you assumed)? How will you justify protest then, or even be angry knowing that you always had a choice and yet you chose to do less than you could do?

Will you be glad you stuck to your principles, or appalled at the avalanche of radical changes proposed by the new administration? And what will you do about it at that time, that couldn’t have been done before?

Yes, there is a very clear choice, even if you really would rather not think about it right at the moment. I, on the other hand, have been thinking about it all along, and I’m sure there are even worse things that would come down the pike, unimaginable to me at this time.

But you know what? Perhaps this is the kind of reality-based exercise that we really need, especially those who claim to care about our future. Perhaps now is the time to start getting FIRED UP AND READY TO GO, because waiting until we are in an unthinkable position will be, for sure, way too late.

http://www.democratsforprogress.com/2011/0...-2012-election/
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Posted: Feb 29 2012, 11:39 PM
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James posted this a few weeks back, along with some other links. Just those questions above should be enough to make anybody run as far away from the republican field as possible. I know I wouldn't touch one with a ten foot pole. Unfortunately though, there are still a lot of disturbing laws and policies being passed right now. All I can say is Obama is still regarded as the lesser of the two evils in my book, although I will most likely hold my nose, take some pepto bismol and vote for him anyway, even though, admittedly yes, my principles scream for me not to do it!!! And a voice in the back of my mind is whispering "Rocky Anderson." It's madness!!!

But the questions above are a brutal reminder of the stakes in this election. :dripple:
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Posted: Mar 1 2012, 12:14 AM
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Figures James beat me to this. :P
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Posted: Mar 1 2012, 10:39 AM
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QUOTE (earthmother @ Mar 1 2012, 12:14 AM)
Figures James beat me to this. :P

Always one step ahead of you. ;)
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Posted: Mar 1 2012, 12:57 PM
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No doubt about that.

And for the record, probably more like two . . . :rolleyes:
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Posted: Mar 1 2012, 01:03 PM
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I think Obama will be re-elected, but if he's not, and a Republican takes office it will feel, I imagine almost like Bush vs Gore over again. It would be agonizing and devastating. This disappointment with Obama is nothing compared to what Republicans have turned into in modern times.
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Posted: Mar 1 2012, 02:00 PM
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QUOTE (earthmother @ Feb 29 2012, 11:14 PM)
Figures James beat me to this. :P

Would you expect any less? :D
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Posted: Mar 1 2012, 02:15 PM
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QUOTE (Wayne in WA State @ Mar 1 2012, 12:03 PM)
I think Obama will be re-elected, but if he's not, and a Republican takes office it will feel, I imagine almost like Bush vs Gore over again. It would be agonizing and devastating. This disappointment with Obama is nothing compared to what Republicans have turned into in modern times.

Yes, it would be agonizing and devastating if a republican got it. I ran into my mother at Wal-Mart a few weeks ago, and she asked me who I was voting for this time around. :rolleyes: This was the first time we had talked politics in a good while, although she knew I hadn't been pleased with Obama for a while now.

Well, she started talking about voting for one of the republicans, even though she doesn't like Romney, but she said it was basically the lesser of the two evils for her. Well, I said the same thing, but that Obama was the lesser of the two evils for me, even though I think politics has basically become a corporatacracy. I went on to say that the republicans would ruin this country more than it already is. I just don't get how her disappointment that Hillary lost to Obama made her turn to the republicans and watching Fox news when she used to hate it!! She heard all of that birther and Obama is a muslim stuff and she believed it. And that's ironic considering the news about Muslims being spied on in NYC. :?:

I was so distressed about the whole election thing that I literally broke down in tears at Wal-Mart. My mother said she didn't realize it was weighing on me so much. Anyway, the republicans make Obama look like a saint, but sometimes I wonder about all these crazy talking points by the republicans regarding stuff like contraceptives. I think it's all a distraction to keep from talking about the more important issues, such as why they are trampling on our civil rights. Because, if one thinks about it, here both sides are, arguing about abortions and women's right to choose, with democrats essentially siding for women's rights. Yet, when it comes to our rights regarding things like the Patriot Act and the NDAA, both sides don't seem to have a problems trampling on those rights. I think so many wedge issues are used to keep the masses divided. jmo.

But hey, I still agree that Obama is better than the alternative, at least in many of the above respects.
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Posted: Mar 1 2012, 02:55 PM
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Obama is not trampling on your civil rights
Don't go flying out of a major airport and you won't be bothered (you and the 9 others out of billions it appears who are not bothered)

just 9 people all of whom had camera, convieniant enough.
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Posted: Mar 2 2012, 02:02 PM
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QUOTE (ReElectAlGore2016 @ Mar 1 2012, 01:55 PM)
Obama is not trampling on your civil rights
Don't go flying out of a major airport and you won't be bothered (you and the 9 others out of billions it appears who are not bothered)

just 9 people all of whom had camera, convieniant enough.

If you read up above, Clay, I said both sides don't seem to have a problem trampling on our rights, meaning all decrocrats and republicans as a whole, with the exception of a few, and I was not just referring to the President. However, Obama did sign NDAA which is without due process, one of our most basic rights. One of my gripes about this Act is that if our officials are so sure a person might be tied to terrorism, then they should have evidence to prove it. Yet this act says the suspect can be held indefinitely without being charged with anything, just being suspected of terrorism, and these days, they are very loosely defining terrorism, going so far as to label an animal activist as a terrorist. I'm sorry. You can sing Obama praises all day long, but I will not condone such a terrible bill such as this, just as I cannot support the Patriot Act, and yes, screenings as airports.

And don't worry, I don't plan on flying any time soon, but I bet that screenings at airports is just the tip of the iceberg. Next it will be train stations, libraries, grocery stores, etc. I spoke just recently of someone being prosecuted here by law enforcement going through their trash after it had been picked up by the garbage man. You can't tell me that that's not a violation of our rights.

And keep on believing just 9 people have complained. :rolleyes: What's the saying about "first they came for this person or that person?" I would rather place my loyalties with the rule of law and not an increasing brazen government who disregards the law or passes legislation that goes against the rule of law. It doesn't matter who is doing it. It is still wrong.
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Posted: Mar 2 2012, 02:04 PM
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Obama should win easily unless it's RIGGED.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/opinio...,3173098.column

Is the election over?

Robert Samuelson
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10:49 a.m. EST, March 2, 2012

WASHINGTON -- If you believe the conventional wisdom, the presidential election is virtually finished. Barack Obama will win. Perhaps in a walk. Game over.

I don't say this as a preference one way or the other -- I have reached the stage in my journalistic career when I disapprove of most politicians -- but simply as a matter of fact and logic.

The conventional wisdom, as I read it, rests heavily on the following propositions.

(1) The economy is improving and will continue to improve, depriving the Republicans (and particularly the front-runner, former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney) of their most powerful issue. This week, the government reported that economic growth hit a 3 percent annual rate in the fourth quarter of 2011. Not great, but better than recent performance.

(2) Romney and former Pennsylvania Sen. Rick Santorum, now his closest rival, are -- each in his own way -- alienating crucial independent voters. Romney is typecast as a wealthy businessman out of touch with most Americans. A recent Pew poll asked respondents whether he "understands the needs of people like you." Only 31 percent agreed; 60 percent didn't. For his part, Santorum is regarded as an extreme social conservative bent on imposing his moral code on the nation.

(3) The leading Republican candidates can be counted on to commit regular gaffes -- Romney's offhand comment about his wife's Cadillacs, Santorum's reference to the president as a "snob" -- that make them look disconnected and un-presidential. In the general election, Obama will run circles around either of them.

(4) Finally, the Republican House of Representatives will serve as a priceless foil for Obama. It's hard to overstate the public's low esteem for Congress, especially the House. The latest monthly Political Report from the American Enterprise Institute discloses the following: 76 percent of Americans think most members of Congress should be defeated (although about 90 percent usually win re-election); only 12 percent think congressional Republicans have "brought the right kind of change to the country" (Obama scores 35 percent on this question); only 21 percent approve of how congressional Republicans are "handling their job" (Democrats score 33 percent). Controversial Republican governors in some battleground states (Wisconsin, Ohio) compound Obama's advantage.

All in all, the conventional wisdom seems compelling. As a card-carrying member of the mainstream media -- a group that creates and sustains the conventional wisdom -- I'm inclined to accept it. And yet there's one conspicuous gap in the-election-is-already-over story: the polls. While the Republicans have been destroying each other and embarrassing themselves, the polls for a general election should have shown a collapse in Republican support. They haven't -- at least so far.

Go to Real Clear Politics (www.realclearpolitics.com) for the latest figures. The average of the polls it follows shows (for the period from Feb. 10 to Feb. 29) Obama beating Romney by 4.6 percentage points (49 percent to 44.4 percent). Obama's margin of victory over Santorum is slightly larger (49.3 percent to 44.2 percent).

If these were the final outcomes, they would be near-landslides, but at this point in the race -- when the Republicans are attacking each other and Obama is also attacking them -- the differences are fairly modest and not unusual. Guesses about the Electoral College lead to the same conclusion. Obama is ahead, but the outcome isn't certain. Real Clear Politics gives him 227 electoral votes against 181 for the Republican nominee, with 130 in doubt; 270 are needed to win.

So it's a puzzle. Logic and most evidence suggest the election is over. But the polls seem to dissent. Could it be that the real story is that Obama's not a shoo-in even when he should be?
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Obama won.

the media refuses to call it because they depend on a close race for ratings.

Remember in 2008 how long it took anyone to say outloud that Obama won?

even MSNBC mumbled incoherently for a good hour when it was all but obvious and Olbermann finally said something like, but look if he is doing blah blah in Ohio and blah blah in, then its over

but they want people to hang on their every word for hours, so they don't

one can't get cocky, and we need to run the total up so there are coattails, and every vote counts for the house and senate and lower positions

(damn shame the Dems gave up so many governorships the last decade or so.

(one reason to keep Andrew in NY as Gov. and not for him to run in 2016.)

sitting people should remain in their positions, esp. Senators.
(Kerry should not become SOS when Hillary leaves next year...we need him to keep his job).If the Dems hold the senate, it will still be close.
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QUOTE (ReElectAlGore2016 @ Mar 3 2012, 05:24 PM)
Obama won.

the media refuses to call it because they depend on a close race for ratings.

Remember in 2008 how long it took anyone to say outloud that Obama won?

even MSNBC mumbled incoherently for a good hour when it was all but obvious and Olbermann finally said something like, but look if he is doing blah blah in Ohio and blah blah in, then its over

but they want people to hang on their every word for hours, so they don't

Not that the news media aren't snarky, but I think the main reason they don't call races now until they've been won decisively is because of what happened in 2000 when they called Florida (and the whole election) for Gore before everything was said and done. They even said they were going to do away with announcing exit polling results after that (but I notice they're using it again). Again, not that they don't want to use suspense to get ratings, but their main objective is to announce a winner as early as possible so they can scoop the story.
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QUOTE (earthmother @ Mar 3 2012, 12:16 PM)
because of what happened in 2000 when they called Florida (and the whole election) for Gore before everything was said and done. 

But actually they were right. AL GORE did WIN Florida and the election.

Please don't get me started on the damn rigged and stolen 2000 election. It still pisses me off like it happened yeasterday. :mad:
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QUOTE (ALGOREismylife @ Mar 3 2012, 01:37 PM)
QUOTE (earthmother @ Mar 3 2012, 12:16 PM)
because of what happened in 2000 when they called Florida (and the whole election) for Gore before everything was said and done. 

But actually they were right. AL GORE did WIN Florida and the election.

Please don't get me started on the damn rigged and stolen 2000 election. It still pisses me off like it happened yeasterday. :mad:

YUP!!!

I am convinced (and its no conspiracy theory) that Gore won Florida by a good 50,000 votes.

the line that irritates me the most is James Baker saying there was a count, a recount, and antother recount, when in fact there never was a first accurate count.

and it showed that the democrats were blindsided, and totally unprepared, while Bush had entire professional legal staff from moment one.

Of course, had Nader not run and caused Bush to win NH, Florida itself wouldn't have mattered. NH alone was enough to win in 2000.


Remember when voting in 2012- Al Gore would not have picked any of the 5
that went against him, or the two others since then that W picked.

Remember that there were 2 judgements by SCOTUS
7 to 2 said - BACK TO FLORIDA FOR FINAL WORD/DECISION
then
5 to 4 said- suckers, your time is gone, nah nah nah nah
(for all those that believed Nader in saying Gore=Bush, this is the lie of all lies).
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