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 The Gates Incident
JamesAquila
Posted: Jul 24 2009, 02:54 PM
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Just wondering what everyone thought of this and the President's comments the other night.
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Posted: Jul 24 2009, 05:00 PM
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I have no problem with what the President said and I think the cop is a racist. I so pissed about this so I won't say anything else. :angry:
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Posted: Jul 24 2009, 10:03 PM
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I read up on this earlier on MSNBC since I've been out of pocket. It sounds like the police overreacted big time. First off, Mr. Gates was in his own home, so it is understandable that he would be up in arms with the police asking for ID in his own home. I would be pissed. But on the other hand, if they were answering a possible burglary call, than there would be no harm in Mr. Gates showing some ID, providing the police explained why they were asking. It really all boils down to how the police handled it. Were they arrogant and harassing when they approached Mr. Gates? They claim it was Mr. Gates who overreacted but who knows who to believe. I would have liked Obama to hold off on making a comment before getting all the details because it just gives others something to complain about, but all in all, I think he handled it okay.
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Posted: Jul 25 2009, 07:53 AM
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I back Prof. Gates.

and politically, long term, this is another winner for Obama.
The more the rightwing runs with racist issues, pleasing their hardcore base, the more the democrats win.
In 2025, just a few years away now, demographics are going to show hispanics, blacks and other non-white groups will be far and away the #1 demo.

the more republicans put those groups down, the closer they will become to being extinct.

Obama's telephone call, and placing blame on all 3 people, was pure Solomon like genius.

for those that say this issue was a local issue and the President should have butted out, well, say Terri Schiavo is another issue a president should have butted out,
and the Federal Courts were NO place to decide the 2000 election either.

It must really hurt the repubBushies to learn that Obama plays the game far better than any other democrat in history, and in doing so, is also now playijng the game better than they did.

Another thing-this issue was perfect timing- so perfect it couldn't have been better
if it had been scripted
While other dems went on tv saying this messed up the timing w/health care,
with health care being delayed til Sept. anyhow, this took that whole issue off
the table.

As for the events themselves-
MrGates provided proof that it was his house
END OF STORY.
He has every right to yell at a cop, that is not illegal. The cops after that point were not welcome on his property and screaming, cursing, saying "your mama"
is NOT against the law, last time I looked, here in America.

The cops come in with an attitude (and then they all stick together, because anyone rats a cop out, will find they have no backup when they are in another situation). In NY area we call it "The blue wall of silence".

A cop is suppose to by law, DIFFUSE a situation, not INFLATE it.

As there was NO crime, Mr Gates is free to say anything he wants to without the threat of arrest.
It is well known that blacks are abused by authority, and the cop is the one with the gun.

The cop should have just said, thank you Mr. Gates for showing your ID, we will get out of here at once, have a good day, sorry for bothering you.

I would also like to question the person who phoned this in to the cops in the first place.She too has issues.
This shoot a black first, ask questions later in society, well, its time this crap stopped.
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Posted: Jul 25 2009, 09:09 AM
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QUOTE (Texan for Gore @ Jul 24 2009, 10:03 PM)
I read up on this earlier on MSNBC since I've been out of pocket. It sounds like the police overreacted big time. First off, Mr. Gates was in his own home, so it is understandable that he would be up in arms with the police asking for ID in his own home. I would be pissed. But on the other hand, if they were answering a possible burglary call, than there would be no harm in Mr. Gates showing some ID, providing the police explained why they were asking. It really all boils down to how the police handled it. Were they arrogant and harassing when they approached Mr. Gates? They claim it was Mr. Gates who overreacted but who knows who to believe. I would have liked Obama to hold off on making a comment before getting all the details because it just gives others something to complain about, but all in all, I think he handled it okay.

What amazes me is that people who would call the police goverment thugs if they entered a white person's home with a warrent because they were stockpiling illegal arms, are taking the side of the police because it is a black person.

John Ridley wrote a great column about this on HuffPo: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/john-ridley/...f_b_244571.html
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Obama addressed this issue with the press during Gibbs's WH briefing.

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The RadCons are just trying to use this as another DIVIDING Wedge Issue like they always do... <_<

They do to Mr. Obama like they do to Mr. Gore...what ever gets said gets 'spun' so FAST...It LOOKS LIKE LIMAUGH-HANNITY-BECK ARE LINDA BLAIR IN A SCENE FROM THE EXORCIST! :P

If Barack Obama would say...'lima beans are good'...They would ATTACK lima beans as being the WORST vegetable on Earth to EAT!...If he said the Sun was GOOD...THEY would EXPOUND on how BAD the SUN IS! :angry:

THEY ARE A PACK OF OVERREACTIONARY JERKS!!! :dripple:
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Posted: Jul 25 2009, 12:52 PM
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http://www.alternet.org/rights/141485/the_...r./?page=entire

What Makes the Arrest of Professor Henry Louis Gates Jr. So Tragic

By Melissa Harris-Lacewell, TheNation.com. Posted July 22, 2009.

In a moment of overzealous policing, an officer in Cambridge handcuffed and detain a living embodiment of post-racial possibility.

Over the past several days a strange characterization of Professor Henry Louis Gates, Jr. has emerged. Many are portraying him as a radical who easily and inappropriately appeals to race as an excuse and explanation. This image of Gates is inaccurate. In fact, more than any other black intellectual in the country Professor Henry Louis Gates, Jr. was an apolitical figure. This is neither a criticism nor an accolade, simply an observation.


Gates is the director of the nation's preeminent institute for African American studies, but he is no race warrior seeking to right the racial injustices of the world. He is more a collector of black talent, intellect, art, and achievement. In this sense Gates embodies a kind of post-racialism: he celebrates and studies blackness, but does not attach a specific political agenda to race. For those who yearn for a post-racial America where all groups are equal recognized for their achievements, but where all people are free to be distinct individuals, there are few better models than Professor Gates.

Gates is largely responsible for the institutional investment in African American studies made by premier universities over the past two decades. Student activists and faculty advocates led the massive black studies movement of the 1960s; a movement that created substantial changes in course offerings, faculty recruitment, administrative structures, and student retention at many state universities. But the country's most privileged institutions remained largely untouched by this populist era of race and ethnic studies.

Rather than relying on techniques that mimicked the Civil Rights Movement, Gates helped innovate and perfected a market strategy for African American studies.

Gates used the inherent competitiveness of Ivy League institutions to create a hyper-elite niche for the very best black academics. His strategy improved the market value of black intellectuals throughout the academy and the public sphere. At one point Gates assembled a "dream team" at Harvard that included professors Cornel West, K. Anthony Appiah, Michael Dawson, Lawrence Bobo, Evelyn Brooks Higginbotham, Lani Guinier and William Julius Wilson.

For a fleeting moment Gates was the curator of the world's best living museum of black intellectual life. His Harvard cohort sent other prestigious schools into a competitive scramble to assemble their own collection, initiating a gilded age of black academia.

Some individuals would have approached this task as a racial mission; a chance to influence public policy and discourse toward progressive racial ends. This was not how Gates approached it. His style is more deliberate and more detached. By my reading, Gates is tremendously proud of his racial identity, history, and legacy, but he has no particular political agenda beyond the collection and display of black greatness, regardless of its political valence. For example, although their ideologies are profoundly oppositional, Gates finds both Colin Powell and Louis Farrakhan emblematic of black manhood and greatness.

Gates frequently compares himself to W.E.B. Du Bois for whom his institute is named. Aspects of the comparison are apt, but Du Bois, unlike Gates, was first and foremost, a race man with a political agenda. In the course of his long, prolific, academic and activist life Du Bois pursued every imaginable strategy to address America's racial inequality. He advocated education, research, patriotic military service, interracial coalitions, direct advocacy, legal strategies and journalism. He was first a staunch integrationist and later a socialist. His self-exile to Ghana was a final expression of his disillusionment with the American project.

Professor Gates is not disillusioned with the American project. He is enamored of it. His home casually mixes classic Americana with protest art of the black Diaspora. His dinner table is rarely segregated and his Rolodex certainly isn't. Even his more recent commitment to genealogy and fascination with the human genome project is prompted by his delight in uncovering the messy, unexpected, deeply American stories embedded in black life.

Du Bois was a product of the American racial nadir. He lived at the hardest moment in our history for black citizens. He was deeply suspicious of white America and constantly vigilant in his interactions with white Americans. Gates is possible only in our present moment.

Du Bois deplored the double consciousness the ripped at the black soul. Gates is remarkable, in part, because he doesn't wear a mask during interracial interactions. Gates is precisely the same man with an all-black crowd as with a predominately white one. Though he certainly perceives color he does not make the subtle rhetorical, political, or self-presentation adjustments that most African Americans consider both necessary and ordinary.

Gates is invested in black life, black history, black art, and black literature, but he has managed to achieve a largely post-political and even substantially post-racial existence.

Then he was arrested in his own home.

The Cambridge police and Professor Gates tell somewhat different versions of the story. But both sides agree that Gates came home to find his front door jammed. He used his key to enter by the back door. He and his driver then pushed at the front door until it opened. Witnessing this, someone called the police and indicated there may be a breaking-and-entering in progress. While Gates was on the phone with a property management company a police officer arrived. The officer requested identification. Gates produced it. Even after ascertaining that Gates had not illegally entered the property, the officer arrested him for disorderly conduct. The police report asserts Gates yelled and behaved aggressively. Gates denies this. The charges have been dropped. In short, Gates was arrested even though the police officer was fully aware that Gates lived in the home.

In a moment of overzealous policing a young officer in Cambridge managed to handcuff and detain the living embodiment of post-racial possibility.

And although Gates maintains "I thought the whole idea that America was post-racial and post-black was laughable from the beginning," as if in a testament to his apolitical sensibilities Gates said in an interview to TheRoot.com "I would sooner have believed the sky was going to fall from the heavens than I would have believed this could happen to me."

It is hard to imagine many other African American men who would indicate such surprise. Even President Obama has spoken of the difficulty in hailing a cab and First Lady Michelle Obama has expressed her understanding of black men's vulnerability to random violence. But Gates seems genuinely surprised and deeply hurt. His sense of violation and humiliation evokes great empathy, but also some incredulity about his astonishment with racial bias in the criminal justice system.

I like and respect Henry Louis Gates, Jr. Although we have had intellectual and political disagreements he has always welcomed dissent and encouraged individuality. Our personal connection is not why I was so devastated to see his mug shot or images of him handcuffed on his front porch. I was not even distressed because of class implications that reasoned, "If this can happen to a Harvard professor then no one is safe."

My distress is squarely rooted in feeling that I watched the police handcuff American possibility.

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Posted: Jul 26 2009, 03:57 AM
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QUOTE (JamesAquila @ Jul 25 2009, 09:09 AM)
QUOTE (Texan for Gore @ Jul 24 2009, 10:03 PM)
I read up on this earlier on MSNBC since I've been out of pocket.  It sounds like the police overreacted big time.  First off, Mr. Gates was in his own home, so it is understandable that he would be up in arms with the police asking for ID in his own home.  I would be pissed.  But on the other hand, if they were answering a possible burglary call, than there would be no harm in Mr. Gates showing some ID, providing the police explained why they were asking.  It really all boils down to how the police handled it.  Were they arrogant and harassing when they approached Mr. Gates?  They claim it was Mr. Gates who overreacted but who knows who to believe.  I would have liked Obama to hold off on making a comment before getting all the details because it just gives others something to complain about, but all in all, I think he handled it okay.

What amazes me is that people who would call the police goverment thugs if they entered a white person's home with a warrent because they were stockpiling illegal arms, are taking the side of the police because it is a black person.

John Ridley wrote a great column about this on HuffPo: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/john-ridley/...f_b_244571.html

Very good article, James, and I understand what you're talking about. I have seen that a lot over the years in my profession. It reminds me of a black client I had who was a passenger in a car that was pulled over for a traffic stop. The officer asked for some ID from him, and understandably, he was angry. He had done nothing wrong - there was no probable cause, no reason to ask for ID, yet I am guessing because this guy had gold teeth and they were driving in a nice car, that the officer presumed he was a drug dealer. That is so wrong.

That has happened in court cases a lot over the years, though granted, things have improved dramatically here in our area. But for a long time, you would see one person get a lighter sentence and usually a black person, get a stiffer sentence. :?:

I think Mr. Gates was well within his rights to question why he had to prove who he was, especially in his own home. It seems like he would have had more right to ask them to prove they are police officers barging in like that in his home. It is these rambo-type, prejudice cops that give everyone else a bad name. :bad:
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